2016 February 13 Saturday
France, Eastern Europeans Rebelling Against Germany On Refugees

4 Eastern European countries plan to help Macedonia and Bulgaria seal their borders with Greece. Angela Merkel and company in Berlin are telling them they can't do that. The capital of the EU is in Berlin, not Brussels?

Borders are going back up all over Europe. Blame German Chancellor Angela Merkel. She seems unwilling to learn from her mistake. But she'll get a warm welcome in Davos for years to come if she sticks to her guns.

Of course the Greeks are getting shafted. Their cratered economy will be left with hundreds of thousands (millions?) of refugees unless they start intercepting them at sea and towing them back to Turkey. Will they find the political will to save themselves?

The migrant arrival rate has risen in spite of winter weather. Imagine what it'll be like in spring if Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia don't go thru with their plans to seal off Europe from Greece. The Prime Minister of Austria is going to seal off their border from refugees once they hit a numeric limit. So Macedonia needs to seal off theirs before they get many refugees that have no path to Germany. Also, Turkey is threatening to boost the flow of refugees unless it gets a lot more money to keep them in Turkey. Greece looks to be in the worst trouble.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2016 February 13 06:02 PM 


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Wolf-Dog said at February 13, 2016 8:38 PM:

Beachheads: the EU will get what they wish, but they will regret it. In order to conquer Europe, enclaves are not enough. It is necessary to establish beachheads in Greece, Southern Italy, Southern France, and Southern Spain. Once these beachheads are ready, then the conquest of Europe can proceed, but not before. The beachheads might be ready by 2039, populated with 20 million people, and the enclaves might reach 50 million by then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachhead

The reason enclaves are not enough is that during wars such locations can be encircled and isolated inside EU. The beachheads would be used to prevent the EU air forces and navies from stopping the arrival of new ships from the south. The enclaves would be useful for making it difficult for EU to attack the beachheads.

But if Europe is lost, this means that the science and engineering talent of the EU will be incorporated into the rising empire, and this will be a game changer, potentially surpassing the US militarily.

What are you thinking Merkel said at February 14, 2016 2:19 AM:

Methinks that the groundwork is being laid for WWIII rather than for suicide.

Black Death said at February 14, 2016 3:14 PM:

Here's a little quote from Peter Wittig, Germany's ambassador to the US:

For those refugees in Germany who want to stay in Germany, the German government has been clear that they must adhere to German laws and respect national values, including equal rights for women and men; equal protections for religions and sexual orientation; and the firm commitment to Germany's special responsibility toward Israel.

"The vast majority of today’s refugees have come to Germany precisely because of the absence of values-based rule of law in their home countries. They desire freedom from religious persecution, sectarian violence, or war waged against them by their own government. We must do all we can to help them successfully integrate."

....

It's pity that Ambassador Wittig was not in Cologne on New Year's Eve. Perhaps he would like to take his wife and daughters there next year to see how well these refugees respect women and the rule of law.

Jim said at February 15, 2016 4:06 AM:

The values of the West and Islam are fundamentally different. Talk of "integration" is fantasy.

Check it out said at February 17, 2016 3:09 PM:

Closing borders is against International Law, to start with. Yes, we all know the U.S. wipes it's asshole with the international law. Nevertheless, border security is a myth. Take for instance the expensive wall at the Mexican border, a border that is constantly being overrun by children — tens of thousands of them- some with their mothers, arriving from Central America.

EU states' attempts to "opt out" of international law will only fuel more regional chaos. And if the United States is really serious and really closes its southern border, alas, poor Americans will really start to suffer like never before. To continue wishing to "seal" borders is childish and outdated; very 20th. Century indeed.

In todays world, it IS the South that is financing the North, haven't you noticed?

There will no border sealing in Europe and I'm willing to bet anything on it. Read it again, There will no border sealing in Europe.

Brett Bellmore said at February 18, 2016 2:26 AM:

"Take for instance the expensive wall at the Mexican border, a border that is constantly being overrun by children"

Oh, come on. That's not a demonstration that walls can't work. That's a demonstration that walls not intended to work can't work. That's the fundamental problem of immigration in the West: The political elites want one thing, and the general population something else. Where democracy is mostly working, the elites have to make a show of trying to give the population what they demand. So the US has a wall on it's southern border. But the elites only make a show, so that wall is incomplete, largely unguarded, and has huge holes in it.

Ask the Israelis whether border walls work. Of course they work. If the people building and guarding them want them to work.

Jim said at February 18, 2016 4:31 AM:

A miserably poor coutry like North Korea seems to have no problem controlling it borders. Nor did dirt poor counties like Roumania or Bulgaria during the Cold War. The cost of closing the US Mexican border is trivial compared to the cost of going to the moon or for that the matter the cost of bailing out the financial system.

Check it out said at February 18, 2016 3:21 PM:

"That's not a demonstration that walls can't work. That's a demonstration that walls not intended to work can't work."

I have to agree.

Well, maybe no sensible politician in Europe or in North America really wants to build a wall that really works, who knows... Maybe that would only bring worse chaos. I think we should consider more carefully if we really desire walled borders. There are very sound reasons to think that a truly sealed border between Mexico and the U.S. would really be chaotic for both countries. In fact, it would be madness. Same goes for Europe. Sealing borders is a way to ignore a reality outside; a reality we cannot simply wish away. You don't cure a pneumonia with Nyquil even if your coughing stops for a while at night.

Immigration problems won't get solved by stopping immigrants with militarized or walled borders, but by creating conditions for them to want to remain in their own beloved countries. If the U.S. had refrained from invading countries like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and turning them into hells, we wouldn't have this immigrant crisis.

Engineer-Poet said at February 18, 2016 4:36 PM:
Immigration problems won't get solved by stopping immigrants with militarized or walled borders, but by creating conditions for them to want to remain in their own beloved countries.

Simple.  Don't give them welfare, housing, or more than food, a shower and a trip home if they come to the West.  Making all the time and money spent on "coyotes" a total waste would keep them home very effectively.

Bob said at February 18, 2016 4:43 PM:

@ Engineer-Poet

I remember you used to comment frequently here about gas prices and electric cars. You argued that gas prices would skyrocket and that electric cars were the way to go to save money.

With the crash in oil prices, did the Ford Fusion hybrid end up being a good investment?

Engineer-Poet said at February 18, 2016 5:40 PM:

This oil-price crash won't last (suppliers are going bankrupt, which will take supply off the market), and I'm getting a substantial payback in fun.  There's also the emergency-management angle.  If the grid is up but there's a lack of gasoline, I'm still mobile in the local area.

Brett Bellmore said at February 19, 2016 3:10 AM:

Historically, the grid being down, but gasoline being available, is the more common scenario.

I agree that prices won't likely stay down where they are now, but there's every reason to believe they're not going back up to where they were for a fairly long time. The Saudis broke their cartel with this attempt to stop American frackers. Too many oil producers failed to build up huge contingency funds like the Saudis did, but instead were relying on oil revenues for a large portion of their day to day funding. Now that the price has dropped, these same producers have to pump every drop they can to provide enough cash flow, preventing the cartel from driving the price up to the former level again.

And even that former level wasn't high enough to make a Ford Fusion cost effective.

Engineer-Poet said at February 19, 2016 1:35 PM:

There was an episode a few years ago when east-coast pipelines from the Gulf were down and motor gasoline was running short.  Regardless, I can cope with the grid being out for a while; I managed through a 4-day outage after a huge storm in August and kept my frozen food just fine.

Bob said at February 20, 2016 2:27 PM:

Is the Fusion Energi worth it though? Isn't it more than 10 grand more expensive than the base Fusion?

Engineer-Poet said at February 20, 2016 6:03 PM:

On a purely economic basis at current prices, no.  But I didn't buy it for the economics.  I bought it, among other reasons, because I needed a new car and that made it my turn to be an early adopter.

I'm having a good time.  Over 130 MPG lifetime average, over 650 MPG so far on a tank I filled in October.  It's still about 3/4 full.

Jason said at February 21, 2016 4:23 PM:

Do you feel like a huge tool now for spending over 30 grand on a Ford Fusion?

You thought you were so cool and smart for buying it but now you just look like a huge douchebag.

What a loser.

Engineer-Poet said at February 21, 2016 7:52 PM:

I get to evangelize to about one interested person every couple of weeks.

That's about 75 people now.


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