2015 December 24 Thursday
Issues With Muslim Immigration

"Lorenzo from Oz" makes a number of points about Islamic sensibilities, its reaction to modernity, and immigration.

Of the existing civilisations sharing this planet, only one is prominently having an extended temper tantrum about modernity; an extended temper tantrum with a distinctly homicidal edge.

He goes on to contrast Islam's reaction with that of Japan, China, and Latin America. He says Salafism is a revolt against modernity. That sounds about right. Then he gets into immigration.

Once Muslim minorities start heading towards 10% of the population, then enclave problems are much more likely to develop and cooperation with security forces is likely to be much patchier and resistance to the agents of the state is likely to develop. Accepting a Muslim minority of that sort of size is also, effectively, a decision to export one's Jews.

Will American Jews eventually become concerned about their co-religionists in Europe?

Differences in values and priors matter.

The notion that there are no issues specific to Muslim migration is nonsense on stilts. Of course there are: it is very different, religiously-defined civilisation with very different presumptions and framings. Yelling "racism" does not change that, although it does close down debate: so is precisely the sort of shouting polarising that is not in any way helpful.

The whole post is quite long and nuanced. Have a read.

Quite a few on the Left are somewhat blind to certain forms of opposition to their vision because their mental framework precludes serious opposition stemming from something other than the culture and religion found on the American Right (or what's left of it). Surely they think Muslims must be reacting to Western oppression. What else could possibly get them so worked up? The deep rooted assumption of Liberal Manifest Destiny (that the whole world will inevitably see the wisdom of The New Yorker or The New York Times) makes them discount the threat from their real enemies. So we go barreling along into greater folly.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2015 December 24 12:10 PM 


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Wolf-Dog said at December 25, 2015 2:57 PM:

Quite a few on the Left are somewhat blind to certain forms of opposition to their vision because their mental framework precludes serious opposition stemming from something other than the culture and religion found on the American Right (or what's left of it). Surely they think Muslims must be reacting to Western oppression.
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They also want to create a loyal underclass that will vote for them forever. Separately, it is possible that they feel that the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

d meister said at December 27, 2015 10:17 AM:

Almost every discussion about Muslims revolves around the religion, not the kinds of people with which Islam resonates. Phenotype instead of genotype. I am pretty sure there are certain genotypes we should not be importing.

chris said at December 31, 2015 9:03 AM:

Maybe I'll just try to self learn pure/higher math as I believe the Physics major would be more useful in an engineering career whereas Pure Math as part of an official degree is probably only useful for working as an academic.

Daniel said at January 19, 2016 12:31 AM:

>>...Accepting a Muslim minority of that sort of size is also, effectively, a decision to export one's Jews.

Screw the Jews. More than any other faction they have welcomed - and are still welcoming - the Muslim invasion. Let the Jew look out for himself. He creates his own problems.

bajax said at January 19, 2016 1:46 AM:

@Wolf-Dog: I used to think the same thing, but I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that they don't even have that kind of foresight. Their social order is collapsing around them, and all they can think to do is double down. They seem outright OCD-- trying to oblitarate bad thoughts ("I'm a racist! My skin color is evil! I am a Nazi!") with suicidal policies. The more suicidal the policy, the more it proves they they're not what PC brainwashing has told them they must be. The future never even comes into consideration.

The west is at the mercy of maniacs.


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