2015 February 16 Monday
Islamic State Returns Islam To Its Early Years

Graeme Wood has done an excellent job researching what the IS leaders really believe about Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal.

This is very worth reading in full. Our own elites have painted IS with pretty foolish stereotypes and tried to claim that IS, like terrorists, does not represent real Islam. This has blinded our elites to the nature of the problem we face with Jihadists, terrorists, and IS in particular.

As the recent beheading of 21 Coptic Christians in Libya demonstrates, the influence of IS extends beyond its battlegrounds in Iraq and Syria. Not all Jihadists aligned with it are choosing to go to Syria to go to battle. Some decide to attack in Paris or Copenhagen. Others in other Arab countries.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2015 February 16 09:32 PM 


Comments
jb said at February 17, 2015 4:53 AM:

Yeah, I read that yesterday, definitely the best article I've ever read about ISIS.

Jim said at February 17, 2015 5:38 AM:

The phrase "real Islam" is totally devoid of any empirical meaning. It's just rhetorical noise.

Abelard Lindsey said at February 17, 2015 8:22 AM:

Anyone who associates with this organization and ideology, including the two guys in London and Australia, should have their citizenship revoked and immediately deported from the West. The East Asian countries (Japan,. China, Korea, etc.) should do the same for any of these people they find among them. We used to deport commies during the Cold War. There is no reason why we should not do the same thin these cases. Anyone who leaves to join ISIS should also not be allowed back in the West.

Mike Street Station said at February 17, 2015 10:47 AM:

Unfortunately, more education about IS won't help our elites make better decisions. Their view of IS "Not really Islam" is ideological. No amount of information is going to change that.

Mike Street Station said at February 17, 2015 10:48 AM:

Unfortunately, more education about IS won't help our elites make better decisions. Their view of IS "Not really Islam" is ideological. No amount of information is going to change that.

Black Death said at February 17, 2015 12:36 PM:

Outstanding article - thanks for the link. I learned a great deal from it. It's quite clear that our "religion of peace" leaders have no clue about what's really going on, but that's not a surprise. Non-Muslims certainly have no role in deciding what is or is not "the real Islam," if any such thing even exists. Despite all the ISIS blather about the "armies of Rome," it appears that they regard Muslims who do not share their millennialist beliefs as the main enemy, at least for now. Sending in a Western army to fight them would be playing right into their hands. But ISIS shares the near-universal resentment I've heard from Arabs and other Muslims about the intervention in their lands by Western nations (mostly Britain and France before WW II, as with Sykes-Picot; mostly the US thereafter). This ignores the fact that Muslim Turkey has historically been the greatest colonizer in the Arab world, but that little historical tidbit is of no real relevance. If we leave them alone, they will quickly revert to their favorite pastime, which is fighting with each other. ISIS and al-Qaeda hate each other, the Sunnis hate the Shiites, the Arabs hate the Turks, etc., etc., etc. Best to leave them to it. Theres's no reason for the US to meddle. We certainly don't need their oil anymore. Let them go have fun in their giant sandbox.

Daniel H said at February 17, 2015 2:28 PM:

>>>Anyone who associates with this organization and ideology, including the two guys in London and Australia, should have their citizenship revoked and immediately deported from the West.

Where are you going to deport them to? If they are not immigrants, but actually born in the west, to what country do you deport them? If they are immigrants, the country of origin will likely still not take them back, where are you going to deport them? Furthermore, the actual terrorists have millions of sympathizers residing in the west, who will provide aid and comfort and may actually raise arms in the case of war. Where are you going to deport these millions? Are you advocating that we lock them all up in concentration camps? You haven't thoroughly thought this issue out.

Wolf-Dog said at February 17, 2015 4:01 PM:

This is a very good article, but it seems to suggest that containment and attrition are the best ways of dealing with the Islamic State. However, the IS ideology is also gaining ground outside Syria and Iraq, not only in oil producing North African countries like Algeria and Libya (already threatening the neighboring Egypt), but also in Pakistan which already has at least a hundred nukes. When this apocalyptic ideology is embraced by local populations, it wil be difficult to contain it because IS is slowly gaining control of a large enough population to rule and extract taxes and labor, for the purpose of building powerful military industries: they have actually banned art and literature from the school curriculum so that all mental energies are devoted to Jihad-related subjects.

As for the stated IS plan to force the Western armies to attack their territory in Syria for the purpose of making the Crusaders face their own Waterloo, once IS gains control of a few large oil production facilities (so far they control only a few regions that produce very limited quantities of oil), it will be in a position to build offensive military industries including nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that will be smuggled to Western countries to cause a lot more destruction than the 9/11 event. If this happens, the West would probably be forced to send millions of soldiers to the Middle East, and at least this part of the apocalptic IS plan will be implemented successfully. The moment the Saudi monarchy is overthrown by IS sympathizers, this will be a turning point in world history because with so much money IS will surely arm itself with far more destructive weapons. In other words, it is clear that there will be escalation, but the only question is what the West can do to survive and not lose the war. EU and US do not yet have energy security, and fracking/shale is only a small stop gap measure that will last at best a few more decades. Once IS gains control of the Saudi, Iraqi, Kuwaiti, Libyan and Algerian oil fields, there will be an economically crippling energy shortage in the US and Europe. Unless the US and EU expeditiously launch a major research program to develop new energy, the future will be bleak.

Wolf-Dog said at February 17, 2015 4:25 PM:

Daniel wrote in response to the comments of Abelard Lindsey":

Where are you going to deport them to? If they are not immigrants, but actually born in the west, to what country do you deport them? If they are immigrants, the country of origin will likely still not take them back, where are you going to deport them? Furthermore, the actual terrorists have millions of sympathizers residing in the west, who will provide aid and comfort and may actually raise arms in the case of war. Where are you going to deport these millions? Are you advocating that we lock them all up in concentration camps? You haven't thoroughly thought this issue out. "

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This is a very good point. In fact, as the following article suggests, many thousands of white Europeans are converting to Islam without being coerced, and this is in addition to the current 20 million European Muslims who are from the Middle East and Asia:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2790/europeans-converting-to-islam

Excerpt from the article:
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The surge in conversions is contributing to the mainstreaming of Islam in Europe and contributing to the Islamization of the continent. In Britain, the number of Muslim converts recently passed the 100,000 mark, according to a survey conducted by an inter-faith group called Faith Matters. The survey revealed that nearly two thirds of the converts were women, more than 70% were white and the average age at conversion was just 27.
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Indeed, by 2050 the number of Muslims in EU (or what is left of the EU) might reach 40 million if we take into account the new converts to Islam.

However, when you wrote that "Are you advocating that we lock them all up in concentration camps? You haven't thoroughly thought this issue out. ", you forgot to take into account the fact that if the IS idelogy rules EU, they will certainly build concentration camps to oppress all the infidels. It seems that you also failed to "thoroughly thinking this issue out". I am sorry for my sarcasm, but this is the situation.

Danie H said at February 17, 2015 7:13 PM:

@ Wolf-Dog.

I have thoroughly thought the issue out. As I see it, the way out of this is for the western nations to militarily invade muslim nations (Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Syria, Pakistan......) seize and establish economically functioning bridgeheads and persuade/compel muslims to move to these bridgeheads. Financial incentives will be offered, forced removal may be necessary. This is a cruel and brutal solution but it beats the alternative of inter-sectarian slaughter.

Another alternative is to cede proportional swaths of European lands to muslims, encourage/deport muslims to these lands and accept these lands as muslim nations on the European continent. Henceforth, of course, zero immigration of muslims to non-muslim lands will be permitted. Of course, this will require eternal vigilance of these muslim lands, but again, it beats inter-sectarian slaughter, which is sure to come if current demographic trends pertain.

Wolf-Dog said at February 17, 2015 7:53 PM:

Daniel H,

As you said, the EU special forces will probably establish bridgeheads in the Middle East to deport the undesirables, but hopefully by the time the war starts, new polygraph machines will be invented to read the brains of people during mass interviews (conducted by computers), to separate the undesirables from those truly secular people of Muslim ancestry. A significant number of secular Muslim immigrants moved to the US and EU especially for the purpose of escaping from restrictive Islam, not to promote it, and hopefully a new device will be designed to separate the latter group from those who will be deported. I would say that the white Europeans who convert to extremist branches of Islam should also be deported.

By the way, today ISIS burned alive an incredible 45 people in Iraq. (The Egyptian Coptic Christians that the IS beheaded yesterday in Libya were the lucky ones.)

Daniel H said at February 17, 2015 8:40 PM:

@ Wolf-Dog,

Stop fantasizing. There will be no mind-reading machines, and the secular Muslim today, either himself or his children or grandchildren, can be tomorrow's Jihadi. Many of today's jihadi's spent a life immersed in secular Europe. They listened to popular music, went to secular schools, studied for secular careers, fornicated, smoked dope, etc. and still they turned towards jihad. The slightest failure/setback in life is an excuse to turn jihadi. And don't go blaming it on the Europeans for their cold, secular, materialist culture that hasn't been welcoming towards its muslim residents and integrating them, that's a fallacy. European culture is what it is and shouldn't have to change to accomodate violent newcomers. And don't go thinking that we are so different and special in America that the same will not develop here. The only thing that sets us apart from Europe in this matter is time and numbers. Time will make the numbers. Islam (secular or Jihadi) has always been at war with the west and always shall. Face, accept and deal with this reality.

Wolf-Dog said at February 17, 2015 9:28 PM:

Daniel H, You are exaggerating. I am 100 % aware that the majority of Muslim immigrants and even their descendents in Europe are in favor of becoming the ruling class at the expense of the infidels, but at least 10 % of them are OK, and I want to make an exception for those who came to the US and EU to escape from Islam.
You are dreaming if you think that neuroscience will remain as backwards as a few decades ago, and that no advanced polygraph machines will be developed to detect people who lie about their intentions. Right now psychological sciences are becoming far more sophisticated.

Abelard Lindsey said at February 18, 2015 7:53 AM:

Belief in things not observable by the senses is a delusion. Delusion by itself is no big deal and people who suffer from mere delusion do have civil rights, a point made by the Reagan administration when they emptied the mental hospitals in 1981. However, when delusion leads to violent acts against others or threats of violent acts against others, then the due process grounds for institutionalization are met and the patient can be committed to a mental institution. Hence, I argue that institutionalization is the appropriate solution to "jihadis" found in the Western countries. Once in the institutions, "mind wipe" (memory erasure) biotechnologies can be applied to these individuals in order to cure them of their violent tendencies and the underlying meme that drives them.

Daniel H said at February 18, 2015 8:18 PM:

Hey Wolf Dog, here is a tale of one of your good Muhammads, the kind you are so concerned about.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/world/middleeast/from-a-private-school-in-cairo-to-isis-killing-fields-in-syria-video.html?_r=0

Wolf-Dog said at February 18, 2015 9:49 PM:

Daniel H, Naturally there are secular types who spontaneously join exremist religious ideologies. But as I pointed out above, even a lot of white Europeans who have no Muslim ancestors are converting to Islam by the thousands, without being coerced. What I am saying is that eliminating all the religious types, will make it much easier to manage the remaining 5-10 % secular types, precisely because only a small percentage of the secular types join the religious groups. In the article that you mentioned in your previous message, the Egyptian Jihadi bigot in the video was already somewhat religious before joining the extremists, and MOST truly secular types simply do not get drawn to religious ideologies. In other words, statistically, the small percentage of bad apples that are hiding among the secular Muslims who were spared by the immigration crackdown, will be much easier to keep track of. During the Cold War I, the FBI and the CIA successfully kept track of a lot of potential undesirables precisely because their number was kept low from the beginning (if their numbers were large, it would have been impossible to keep track of them.)

Anyway, once again here it the article that I mentioned before:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2790/europeans-converting-to-islam

Excerpt from the article:
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The surge in conversions is contributing to the mainstreaming of Islam in Europe and contributing to the Islamization of the continent. In Britain, the number of Muslim converts recently passed the 100,000 mark, according to a survey conducted by an inter-faith group called Faith Matters. The survey revealed that nearly two thirds of the converts were women, more than 70% were white and the average age at conversion was just 27.
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Dan said at February 18, 2015 10:04 PM:

It is possible to freely practice Islam in almost every place on Earth.

It is illegal, punishable by death, to practice Christianity across vast swathes of the globe, and these areas are growing.

The West has contributed incomparably more to civilization than the Muslim world, and it would be reasonable to expect that the religion of the West would dominate. But the opposite is true. We of the West are the Muslims' little bitch.

A minimum would be to expect reciprocity. If you want us to tolerate mosques, you must tolerate churches. If you want us to treat people from your lands well, you must treat people from our lands well.

But this one-way tolerance is the pathway to annihilation. This is mathematically easy to see.

Daniel H said at February 19, 2015 4:24 AM:

Wolf-Dog, you don't understand Islam.


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