2015 January 18 Sunday
Terrorist Towns In France: Mystery Pondered By The Gray Lady

The answer is really simple: Muslim immigration.

The population of Lunel France is one third Muslim.

Immigration is doing the same thing to Britain:

Many elite opinion shapers claim the terrorist attacks have nothing to do with Islam. Their claims are insulting. Peter Bergen thinks secularists do not take deeply held religious beliefs seriously.

The fact that the Paris attacks have something to do with Islamic beliefs cannot be wished away either by claims that Islam is simply a religion of peace, or by political correctness, or because we live in an increasingly secularized modern era that often doesn't take deeply held religious beliefs sufficiently seriously.

Europe is going down until it becomes a lot more honest and confronts the reasons why rising fear is a rational response to conditions in Europe.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2015 January 18 09:17 AM 


Comments
jb said at January 18, 2015 10:06 AM:

The left doesn't care how serious Muslims are, they just hate white people and want to see them exterminated. If you think this isn't true just look at the left's response to Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson. This isn't about religion, it's about race.

Jim said at January 18, 2015 11:18 AM:

jb - You're right. Hatred of white people is the only thing that the left believes in any more.

Wolf-Dog said at January 18, 2015 12:56 PM:


Randall Parker, The problem of immigration is compounded by the fact that the ideology is also contagious, as many disgruntled Christian Europeans are also converting to Islam. (Although I don't have the exact numbers, but the conversion to Islam comes in various shades, unofficially many disgruntled leftists irrationally sympathize with the Jihadis without officially becoming Muslim.) Those who killed Lee Rigby were new converts to Islam from Christianity, and they were born in UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

EXCERPT:

Two men ran him down with a car, then used knives and a cleaver to stab and hack him to death.[9] Both are British of Nigerian descent, raised as Christians, who converted to Islam.[11]

Jim said at January 18, 2015 1:17 PM:

Wolf-Dog - "British of Nigerian descent". These are not Westerners.

Wolf-Dog said at January 18, 2015 6:51 PM:

Jim, You are saying that genetics determines behavior, but you are exaggerating. For instance, the Asian immigrants from China, Japan, Korea are disproportionately more rarely represented in crime and violence statistics in the Western world, and their descendants are doing extremely well. Their success is not just in the economic domain, culturally they are accepted as well.) And there are a lot of white European Muslims too, who are eager to join the Jihad.

Jim said at January 19, 2015 7:08 AM:

East Asians have extremally low crime rates where ever in the world they are located. I have no doubt that the genetics of East Asians is the main factor in their very low crime rates. Of course they also have higher IQ's and average 2% larger brain size than Europeans. No doubt they are vastly more compatible with Westerners than Nigerians.

I am curious as to what percentage of the indigeneous British white population is Muslim? I suspect it is trivial.

Speaking of the connection between behavior and genes there is substantial evidence of a relation between violent behavior and low repeat alleles of the MAOA gene particularly the 2R allele. The frequency of the 2R allele in US white males is about .1% while the frequency among US black males is 5-10%, 50-100 times greater. It is likely this genetic difference is a substantial factor in the extraordinarliy high rates of violence among US blacks.

I don't know what the frequency of the 2R allele is among Nigerians. Perhaps it would be a good idea to know before allowing them to emigrate to Britain. Internal conditions in Nigeria do not at all suggest a population with the low propensity to violence of East Asians.

Wolf-Dog said at January 19, 2015 9:03 AM:


In UK there are very few white people who convert to Islam, but I was referring to the large white Muslim populations in Bosnia, Albania, and Turkey, where there are a lot of people with European genes who happen to be Muslims due to the Ottoman policy of Islamizing conqured nations. Turkey is not part of Europe, but I was referring primarily to the Bosnian, Albanian and Bulgarian Muslims who do represent a large population that can be influenced by Jihadism.

Historically, the Muslim Black Africans have been far more violent and oppressive than the Christian Black Africans, regardless of the MAOA gene that seems to play a role. That being said, at least in the case of laboratory animals, there is also some scientific evidence that present behavior of the current generation actually influences the gene expression of the offspring, and in this case perhaps the children of Muslims might show more agressive behavior, which might one day be proven, although I am sure it is unlikely that Nobel prize will be given for such a politically incorrect research about Islam.

Mike Street Station said at January 19, 2015 1:44 PM:

That's surprising to read on CNN, but Bergen is right. The Left establishment really can't imagine religion as actually being a motivation to commit, especially to die in, suicide attacks. It has to be poverty or Western oppression of some sort. Since they don't believe in their own religions, they can't imagine anyone else really, deep down, believing it. It's a "does not compute" moment that we've been living in since 9/11 and we'll continue to flounder in dealing with this as long as we don't believe that some people take their religion very seriously.

Seth W. said at January 19, 2015 2:35 PM:

"Their claims are insulting. Peter Bergen thinks secularists do not take deeply held religious beliefs seriously."

Of course. No secularist can take any belief seriously. No belief should be taken seriously, because it's just that, belief.

What should be taken seriously is the actions these deeply held religious beliefs produce. These type of terrorist actions is what strong belief tends to produce.

Check it out said at January 19, 2015 4:50 PM:

Fortunately Atheism is growing even faster than Islam. Atheism is now the third largest doctrine after Christianity and Islam. We're talking about 16% of the World's population who declare themselves non religious: either Atheists, agnostics or not affiliated to any religion or form of faith. Hey, that's a very solid billion people without religion. Unfortunately atheists are still very much discriminated.

Religion allows people by the millions to believe what only lunatics would believe on their own: If you wake up one day believing that saying a few prayers over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis, you've lost your mind. If you believe more or less the same about a cracker and the body of Christ, you're just a catholic.

Wolf-Dog said at January 19, 2015 10:52 PM:

Check it out, There is one big problem with the atheists: since many atheists are also leftist (in the sense that they feel that the rising economic inequality in the world is something that must be corrected), they sympathize with the groups who appear or pretend to be the underdogs, and as a result, they sympathize with the Islamists, trying to justify their actions. This is a contributing factor to politically correctness of leftist government members that can sometimes be excessive. Some political correctness is a good thing, and it reflects the noblity of modern thought in the Western world, but when pushed to the limit it seems to yield absolutely disastrous outcomes.

Angry said at January 20, 2015 6:29 AM:

Atheism is just another religion, full of catechisms, saints and hymns. It essentially apes all of the methods of existing faith while engaging in anti-traditional religious bigotry. Atheism will save no one since it is already a healthy mix of idolatry and bogus ideas.

What jb said above is correct. The real problem and the real enemy is not Islam. It is the Left. That is the true demon that must be slain because it is the Leftists that aid, abet and enable Islamic Jihad in the West.

Why do they do it? They hate white people and want them exterminated. Every Leftist policy has, at its core, an anti-white agenda. Simply ask the question, "Is it bad for white people" will determine if the policy is promoted or not. Ergo, we have mass immigration of Muslims or Hispanics. Wehave excuses for Black crime. We have massive taxes and bureaucratic dysfunction, all designed to run down the ecosystem in which whites live.

Mike Street Station said at January 20, 2015 8:21 AM:

@Check it out

Atheism has to be countered with something or it's just not going to last. I suspect you imagine that the human race is evolving from primitive superstitions to science and reason, but I see atheism as just a bump on the road to the next belief system. The Soviets were atheists for generations but look how quickly the church came back with the fall of communism. Europe is growing more secular, but that means they have no belief system and their children (the few that they have) will be looking at something. More than likely they'll be Muslim. Not because of immigration or demographics, but with Christianity reduced to a social club, Islam is the only strong belief system going.

Dan said at January 20, 2015 10:42 AM:

Atheism is not surging globally, although it is on the rise in the West.

Communism, demanding total adherence to atheism, was the rule in Russia, Eastern Europe, China, Southeast Asia and more. That is a tremendous extent, and in all of places have basically ended Communism, and belief has been surging of late. You may have had 2 billion living under Communism at its peak.

All across the Islamic world, reliosity is far higher than in the past.

John Anderson said at January 20, 2015 12:04 PM:

Atheism is surging globally. In fact we are all Atheists when it comes to believing in Zeus or Odin, or Quetzalcóatl. Atheists just go one god further. By the way confusing Atheism which is and anti-religious trend with the "left", which is a political preference, is to intelligent ideas what the mixture of eggs, pancakes, sauage and syrup is to a healthy breakfast. So typical of anybody who is "Angry"

John Anderson said at January 20, 2015 12:04 PM:

"Atheism is just another religion, full of catechisms, saints and hymns."

I think you've got a contradiction in terms there buddy. Saying that Atheism is a religion just like saying that being fully bald is a hair color. Check your dictionary.

Big Bill said at January 20, 2015 1:58 PM:

"Fortunately Atheism is growing even faster than Islam. Atheism is now the third largest doctrine after Christianity and Islam."

In Pakistan? in Saudi Arabia? In Iraq, Iran, and Syria? Mmmm. Don't think so.

Matt@occidentalism.org said at January 20, 2015 11:49 PM:

No, secularists are inconsistent in their dismissal of beliefs. To the religious they say that religion is a delusion. To a transgender they accept the transgendered person's deluded belief that they are a woman trapped in a man's body, and so on.

Engineer-Poet said at January 21, 2015 3:21 AM:

You're talking about doctrinaire leftists as if they represent everything and everyone secular.  That's risible, as you can see by looking at the doctrine of today vs. even 20 years ago.

Seth W. said at January 21, 2015 1:02 PM:

I personally think that believers are just too afraid to oppose tyrannical authority. At least in their minds. In order to free themselves from theism they have to have the guts to rebel against God and see that they will get no punishment for it. I do think that theism is the consecuence of either mental weakness or a great lack of bravery.

I lean towards Agnosticism, so I do also sustain that religion is a delusion and I do also sustain that religion is the root of many wars, murders and hatred.

Mike said at January 21, 2015 4:24 PM:

It's pretty pointless getting into an endless argument over whether or not Islam is a religion of peace, as mainstream pundits are inclined to do. You can claim anything from selective reading of religious texts. What matters is that a significant minority of Muslims wish to do westerners harm. Even if it's only 5 percent of Muslim immigrants that spells a lot of trouble for countries that import high numbers of Muslim immigrants.

Mike said at January 21, 2015 4:24 PM:

It's pretty pointless getting into an endless argument over whether or not Islam is a religion of peace, as mainstream pundits are inclined to do. You can claim anything from selective reading of religious texts. What matters is that a significant minority of Muslims wish to do westerners harm. Even if it's only 5 percent of Muslim immigrants that spells a lot of trouble for countries that import high numbers of Muslim immigrants.

chris said at January 22, 2015 11:57 PM:

@John Anderson

""Atheism is just another religion, full of catechisms, saints and hymns."

I think you've got a contradiction in terms there buddy. Saying that Atheism is a religion just like saying that being fully bald is a hair color. Check your dictionary."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

This definition doesn't exclude belief systems without deities. So looks like Atheism could be characterised as a religion even if it doesn't have any supernatural component to it as long as it still has devotional and ritual observances and a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs while remaining a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

Engineer-Poet said at January 23, 2015 9:38 AM:

Tell me where "the atheists" gather regularly to sing their praises of the creator of all things, the Big Bang.  Somehow I've been left off the invitation list.  And what became of the non-inflationary sect after the temperature variations in the CBR were mapped?

And this thing about a moral code.  If there's anyone who's tried to derive one from the behavior of elementary particles in the first femtoseconds, I'd love to see how it stacks up to other philosophers.

jb said at January 24, 2015 9:36 AM:

This thread was effectively hijacked.

Seth W. said at January 26, 2015 2:47 PM:

If everything must have a begining then God must have a begining. If on the other hand, there can be something without a begining the same thing could have happened with the Universe than with God. Besides, of the Universe there's evidence. Of God none. The Universe could have very well had no begining as the World's greatest physicists have said. I trust them more than you trust your Benny Hinn or Ted Haggard.

I don't know if Engineer-Poet's discrimination insult was aimed at me or John Anderson, since there seem to be more than one person here who doesn't believe in God.

We do not sing praises to the big bang because we do not feel subordinated to it, although you subordinate yourself to your own imaginative creation. We sing praises to man's greatest achievements of which you probably have none. Let's show a little more respect to different opinions E.P. ok.

Atheists and agnostics continue to be the most discriminated minority today, but we are now larger than Jews and Gays and growing up very fast. Eventually we might become majority and you or your children will be the minority. Do you seriously doubt it? We might even show some compassion for you and send you to a mental hospital to get cured for free.


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