2014 October 05 Sunday
ISIS Likes Saudi Religious Thinking But Saudis Spurn ISIS

Patrick Cockburn on the Saudi version of Islam and what the ISIS/Daash folks believe.

Evidence of the similarity between Wahhabism and Isis is that in the third of Syria seized by Isis, it is plagiarising Saudi textbooks for use in schools.


There are signs that in the past few months the Saudi state has become even more rigorous in enforcing Islamic law – sharia – and clamping down on non-Muslim religious practice, possibly to show that it is no less committed to sharia than Isis.

British retired general General Jonathan Shaw blames the Saudis and Qatar for th spread of radical Islam.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia have ignited a "time bomb" by funding the global spread of radical Islam, according to a former commander of British forces in Iraq.

The Saudi leaders are funny.

Religious extremism is a perversion which must be eradicated, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah said on Sunday

From the Daily Star in Lebanon:

Sheikh Abdallah bin Ali Basfar, a religious lecturer who is involved in the kingdom's "awareness" campaign, said the Ministry of Islamic Affairs had instructed preachers to denounce ISIS as a "terrorist organization" in their sermons and teachings.

A web site associated with the Iranian National Guards says Saudi Arabia has recently lost battles in Yemen, Iraq, and Syria. These are battles for influence, not battles with Saudi boots on the ground. The failure to overthrow Assad was one loss. The Shia domination of the Baghdad government is another. US support of the Shia Iraqi government against ISIS as well as ISIS becoming totally demonized is causing a backlash against an offshoot of Wahhabi Islam.

Wahhabism helped legitimize Saudi rule of Saudi Arabia. The rest of the world has paid a big price for the spread of Wahhabism funded with Saudi petrodollars.

The Wahhabi movement's vision for government helped to establish Saudi rule; it does not engage in debates about democracy or any other issues, and does not completely recognise it as legitimate. In fact, it regards democracy as blasphemous, as it only believes in submission and obedience to the ruler and one vested with authority ("wali al-amr"); not upholding this duty is deviation from the religion and is, therefore, blasphemy.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2014 October 05 08:32 PM 

Seth W. said at October 6, 2014 2:07 PM:

All religious practices should be eradicated from public life in each and every country. I support complete separation of state and religion.

Seth W. said at October 6, 2014 2:12 PM:

Keeping religion immune from criticism is both unwarranted and dangerous. Unless we are willing to expose religious irrationality whenever it arises, we will encourage irrational public policy and promote ignorance over education for our children.

The Dude said at October 7, 2014 10:33 AM:

"Religious extremism is a perversion which must be eradicated, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah said on Sunday."

I love these pronouncements. Ignorant Westerners hear "religious extremism"and think "wacko Christians picketing an abortion clinic". For King Saud chopping limbs off thieves, stoning adulterous wives, and hanging homosexuals is normal and good. What is "extremist" to him is beheading toddlers (sell them as infant slaves, OK, just don't behead them).

But these Saudi PR sound bites are always accepted at face value and never questioned by the MSM. For once, just one time, I wish a lefty would follow up and ask the next obvious question: "does 'religious extremism' include beheading Muslims who convert?" But they never will. Lefties are happy that King Saud spends hundreds of millions on Wahhabi mosques across the West and stocks them with free firebrand jihadi Wahhabi preachers.

Dan said at October 8, 2014 8:08 AM:

"All religious practices should be eradicated from public life in each and every country. I support complete separation of state and religion."

Sounds to me like unilateral disarmament.

Check it out said at October 8, 2014 5:54 PM:

Any country that calls itself a "Republic" should ban all religious practices from public life, otherwise it's not a republic, but just another theocracy like Iran or the Vatican. Belief, faith and worship belong in the realm of the private. Public policies should never be brought about by any beliefs in supernatural ghosts or any other childish metaphysics, even if most people suffer from that delusion**.


:a belief that is not true : a false idea : a false idea or belief that is caused by mental illness :a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs.

**Taken from the the Merriam Webster Online Dictionary. www.merriam-webster.com.

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