2014 July 01 Tuesday
Netanyahu: Independence For Kurdistan

Hey, with all the excitement about the alliance that has formed to support the Shia government in Baghdad the poor suffering Kurds have been neglected. Bibi comes to the rescue to draw our attention to an alliance we ought to form: an alliance to protect an independent Kurdistan. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the Kurds deserve their own state.

Go Kurds go. Maybe the Israelis will send them some military advisers and helicopters to get the ball rolling to form an alliance for Kurdistan.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2014 July 01 09:15 PM 

destructure said at July 2, 2014 2:57 AM:

Given their location, do the Kurds really want to risk openly aligning themselves with Israel? Granted, everyone that hates the Israelis already hates the Kurds and vice versa. But, as muslims, the Kurds at least have the potential of reconciling with other muslims after they establish their own state. If they align with Israel then it may actually increase hostility against them and make it more difficult for other muslims to side with them.

Most people realize Kurds show a high incidence of MtDNA lineages common among Europeans. But genetic analysis shows Iraqi Kurds and Jews are also closely related sharing a common genetic background predating the split of the middle east into ethnic groups. Nebel et al. (2000)

Jim said at July 2, 2014 8:50 AM:

I doubt that things will work out very peaceably between Turkey and an independent Kurdistan in the long run.

Check it out said at July 2, 2014 12:46 PM:

After the withdrawal of American troops in 2011, the Kurds did not gain independence. The Americans took into account the opinion of Turkey and its then-ally - Syria, that also have numerous Kurdish communities that insist on their territorial integrity. Keeping 30 to 40 million people obedient was getting increasingly difficult.

The "Arab Spring" was a catalyst process. In Syria, the Kurds received autonomy from Assad and control their territories. In Turkey, Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) has long been committed to this, but the talks between Turkish PM Erdogan and Kurdish leader Abdullah Ocalan were suspended under the pretext of abuse by the Kurds. It was claimed that the PKK had not stopped armed struggle.}

Check it out said at July 2, 2014 12:48 PM:

The policy of the United States towards self-determination of the Kurds would be different depending on whom the Americans supported. When it was necessary to remove Hussein, the United States would claim that the Kurds needed independence. As soon as the issue of oil came to the surface, they preferred to talk about the territorial integrity of Iraq. The State Department continues to talk about it today.

James Bowery said at July 2, 2014 2:29 PM:

I read somewhere that the Kurds were "related" to Jews somehow. Of course I read somewhere that the Saami were Jews. It seems everyone is "related" to Jews somehow now and then depending on the various agendas at work at the time.

Check it out said at July 2, 2014 5:07 PM:

"It seems everyone is "related" to Jews somehow now and then depending on the various agendas at work at the time."

American Indians too? Basques too? Your statement makes it sound as if the Jews were very old. Although who knows, "scholars" seem to love pushing Abraham's time further and further back in time. By now I wouldn't be surprised if a new revised version told us that he was from the VI or VII millennium B.C.

No. The Jews are related to the Arabs mainly. The Jews are the children of Abraham and Sarah. The Arabs are the children of Abraham and Hagar mother of Ishmael and his offspring who grew in the desert. Of course both Jews and Arabs are mixed. Jews are so ethnically mixed that we cannot even speak of Jews as an ethnic group. Being a Jew has to do more with a religion and a certain psychology.

Check it out said at July 2, 2014 5:08 PM:

It's more like jews are related to everyone else.

destructure said at July 2, 2014 5:25 PM:


There's a big difference between phylogenetic analysis and something some guy made up.


Also, I believe the connection was between the Sami and Berbers not Sami and Jews. Alessandro Achilli and colleagues noted that the Sami and the Berbers share U5b1b, which they estimated at 9,000 years old, and argued that this provides evidence for a radiation of the haplogroup from the Franco-Cantabrian refuge area of southwestern Europe.


Jim said at July 3, 2014 8:32 AM:

According to Greg Cochran, Ashkenazi Jews are roughly 50-50 Middle Eastern vs. European with the European part mostly Mediterranean European. Sort of a Lebanese-Italian cross.

destructure said at July 4, 2014 2:08 AM:


I'm not saying Ashkenazi don't have recent European ancestry. And I agree that Jews are roughly halfway between Europeans and Arabs who, by the way, are very close to Europeans to start with. However, other Levantines like Druze, Assyrians (as opposed to Syrians), Kurds, etc are also much closer to Europeans than Arabs are. And they've always lived in the Levant.

People look at the Levant and simply say "Arab" because most are Arabic speaking muslims. But indigenous Levantines didn't come from Arabia. Levantine's originated in Anatolia in prehistoric times the same as Europeans did. They were later conquered and Arabized by muslims from the Arabian peninsula. Lebanese, Syrians, etc who are muslim are a mixture of indigenous and arab invader. Non-muslim Levantines like the Druze, Assyrians, Jews and even the Kurds are predominantly indigenous with little Arab admixture. They're much closer to each other as well as Anatolians, Armenians, Greeks, etc.

Check it out said at July 9, 2014 5:22 PM:

Jews are so ethnically mixed that we cannot even speak of Jews as an ethnic group. Wanna talk about non or little-mixed ethnic groups, let's talk about blacks in many regions of African and Native American Indians in Mexico, Peru and Bolivia. There are still a few Laps in Northern Finland. But being a Jew, ethnically means nothing or very little.

Being a "Jew" has more to do with an attitude, a psychology, and many times and exagerated susceptibility against becoming true citizens of a particular country and adapting to it. A Jew stays Jew regardless of the country of birth or citizenship you also benefit from. That's what being a Jew means.

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