2014 January 28 Tuesday
Obama Makes Move To Cut Demand For Illegal Immigrants

$10.10 per hour is a step in the right direction.

In his State of the Union address, Obama planned to say he’ll sign an executive order to raise the minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 per hour for employees involved in future government contracts as a way to lower turnover, boost morale and increase productivity.

We really need $15 per hour minimum wage. The demand for low skilled labor will start dropping and automation will accelerate.

I say this to automation engineers: support a higher minimum wage as a way to boost demand for your skills.

As for Obama: He joins a long line of US presidents working to expand the power of the imperial presidency. Neoreactionary monarchists should applaud. This helps create the conditions for rule by a caudillo who leaves the constitution behind as an obsolete relic. The people will become more accustomed by rule by a strongman as Presidents increasingly rule by executive order.

But my challenge for the monarchists: How to assure that a suitable guy will be the one who puts an end to democratic rule? How do you know that monarchy will work better than dictatorship of the elected?

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2014 January 28 09:23 PM 


Comments
Jersey said at January 29, 2014 4:02 AM:

A "caudillo"? And "end to democratic rule"? I think you're going a little overboard on this one, Randall.

Abelard Lindsey said at January 29, 2014 7:58 AM:

We really need $15 per hour minimum wage. The demand for low skilled labor will start dropping and automation will accelerate.

I say this to automation engineers: support a higher minimum wage as a way to boost demand for your skills.

Yep. I'm an automation engineer and I approve of this comment.

A higher minimum wage is good for government too. Since the GOP is not about to approve more money for government work, less government work will be done. This is good as well.

I need to take in some of that "deep learning" technology, figure out how I can apply it to various machine vision and robotics applications I have in mind.

Barnabas said at January 29, 2014 8:41 AM:

I'd say all indications are that the president who finally outstays his term will resemble Hugo Chavez.

XVO said at January 29, 2014 11:25 AM:

Yes, a little overboard. This executive order is within the constitution and is unlikely to actually affect anyone.

James Bowery said at January 29, 2014 1:02 PM:

First of all, what Obama is really doing is ensuring that more people end up under government transfer programs hence bought votes.

Secondly, monarchy is superior to "tyranny of the majority" because it is nature's choice for eusociality. If you want to play the eusocial game, that's where you end up. Now, it might be that you can put into place something more evolutionarily fit in a eusocial vein but you won't be able to out conquest eusociality for The social conquest of Earth.

Transhumanists think they can out-do nature's eusociality by having everyone "upload" to a central intelligence that will eat everything in its path. That might beat nature's eusocial optimum.

Check it out said at January 29, 2014 4:59 PM:

"How do you know that monarchy will work better than dictatorship of the elected?"

Better for who? If it's a system for the people Social Democracy is best even if not perfect of long-lasting. If it's for the system itself, a harsh dictatorship in which the dictator/monarch is loved by the people, is best. An Orwellian 1984 Ing-Soc, so to speak, with a Big Brother and all.

However I believe an Orwellian system would also mean for the species to abdicate the aim for developing man's full potential in happiness and mental health.

Randall Parker said at January 29, 2014 8:37 PM:

Jersey,

Suppose a substantial fraction of the population start wanting a strong man. It has happened in other countries. The original factors that made Americans unique are gradually decaying. American exceptionalism is dying. That opens up new (and mostly bad) possibilities in government.

destructure said at January 30, 2014 3:05 PM:

"We really need $15 per hour minimum wage. The demand for low skilled labor will start dropping and automation will accelerate."

Having a minimum wage galls me for economic reasons everyone knows. If the secondary effects worked the way you suggest then I'd tolerate it. However, if all it does is increase demand for welfare and attract more immigrants for the sake of welfare then where is the benefit?
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How to assure that a suitable guy will be the one who puts an end to democratic rule? How do you know that monarchy will work better than dictatorship of the elected?

There's never any guarantee when it comes to government. The only thing I can say is that what we have now is unsustainable and self-destructive. At least some form of oligarchy wouldn't encourage cannibalism like our current system. Democracy has ruined our nation.

Mike Street Station said at January 31, 2014 6:52 AM:

The minimum wage has nothing to do with immigration, since Obama and the Democrats aren't pro amnesty because they think we need millions of low skilled workers, they just want the (eventual)votes. Automation and higher minimum wage work even better to make the new unskilled millions dependent on government programs since we will end up with fewer net jobs over the long term due to automation.

destructure said at January 31, 2014 10:40 AM:

Mike

Republicans want cheap labor. Democrats want votes and buy them with welfare. Immigrants don't care which they get as long as it's better than where they're from.

Mike Street Station said at January 31, 2014 1:16 PM:

I agree on the various political parties interests in amnesty, however I was challenging the contention in the original post that a high minimum wage would have any bearing on future illegal immigration or future amnesties. The actual market demand for low wage unskilled labor has nothing to do with the political advantages and demands for open borders. President Obama wants their future votes and dependency, not their labor.

Randall Parker said at January 31, 2014 9:19 PM:

Mike Street Station,

If minimum wage is so high that employers won't hire illegal aliens then they will stop coming.

Obama's intent is one thing. A big rise in the minimum wage would drastically cut employer demand for illegals.

destructure,

Some of the people who now qualify for welfare benefits who work at low paying jobs would make enough at a higher minimum wage that they'd cease to be eligible for welfare. Others would become eligible because they couldn't get hired at the higher minimum wage. Those who would work at the higher minimum wage would pay more in taxes.

Stephen said at February 1, 2014 12:56 AM:

Randall said: "If minimum wage is so high that employers won't hire illegal aliens then they will stop coming."

I think its the other way round - an increase in the minimum wage will increase demand for illegal aliens. This is because an employer using illegal labour will be able to undercut his competitors because he won't pay the minimum wage. After all, its not as if the illegals can go to the cops and complain that they're being paid less than the minimum.

shiva1008 said at February 1, 2014 10:59 AM:

Monarchy is the best system if you have a virtuous king and a culture which encourages virtue. But we don't have that so the best we can do is have a system of checks and balances.

Nick said at February 5, 2014 3:29 PM:

Randall, don't employers hire illegals because they don't have to pay them a minimum wage? How would raising the minimum wage affect employers who pay their employees under the table in cash?

Mike Street Station said at February 6, 2014 11:39 AM:

Randall, I would agree with Stephen on this. Illegals in general are not even working for minimum wage. Their advantage is that they don't have to be paid minimum wage which of course, makes them attractive to some employers. And don't forget their are entire classes of jobs that are exempt from the minimum wage, like agriculture. I think if there was some sort of enforced, mandated e-verify system AND every single job fell under minimum wage guidelines, you might have a point, but in the current case, we already have a minimum wage that's done nothing to dampen the ardor of employees working for cash under the table.

DdR said at February 6, 2014 4:49 PM:

Apparently the amount of immigrants that are expulsed from the United States is at an all time high. A lot of Mexicans are being deported.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21595891-united-states-expulsion-policy-toward-migrants-carries-big-human-cost-bordering-cruelty?frsc=dg%7Ca

And Randall, Stephen's correct: if the cost of your labor starts escalating on account of higher minimum wage, then a business in the short term may hire more illegals to staunch the loss. Eventually the owner will get caught and may have to shut down or use more machines.


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