2013 December 16 Monday
US Government Policy Failure In Middle East?

A pair of articles on the McClatchy site speak volumes on the failure attempts to create liberal democracies in the Middle East: Benghazi, Libya, has become training hub for Islamist fighters and With Islamists now in firm control of Syria rebellion, civil war might last years.

Are core foreign policy figures in Washington DC so clever that they intentionally turned Middle Eastern countries into battlegrounds and training centers for Islamic fighters? Or is this outcome of supporting revolution in the Middle East a surprise to them?

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2013 December 16 11:13 PM 

notknown said at December 17, 2013 12:01 PM:

The only reason we are in the Middle East is because 1 - Israel and the Jewish lobby that pretty much controls America, and 1: part b - the Republican party doesn't have a domestic policy because they are paralyzed by race largely because of fact 1. They have to start wars overseas in order to distract the yahoos who support them from that truth. At some gut level the yahoos understand all but are desperate for a face-saving excuse not to confront reality of their impending doom, and these wars provided that during the Bush 2 administration. Our "leaders" don't give a damn about the dangers of militant Islam or its threat to the American people, otherwise they wouldn't be importing Muslims by the millions. In fact, all those anti-terrorism laws play into the hands of those wanting centralized control and are really aimed at the American people (particularly whites) and not at Muslim terrorists. Look at how much the police state has grown in the last 12 years. So the answer to your question is they really don't care, Liberal Democracy was at best nothing more than a hoped for side-effect. The Israeli lobby green-lights disrupting these countries and the disruption helps consolidate power into the hands of the elite.

For an example of the above all wrapped up in one individual, see David Brooks recent commentary entitled "Strengthen the Presidency."

aandrews said at December 17, 2013 2:37 PM:

"The only reason we are in the Middle East is because...."

Speaking of which, the Jews have evidently sensed the ship sinking, too.


Questions of survival
By Shmuel Rosner


"One of the papers that was prepared in advance and presented to the participants in the conferences was that written by Dr. Shalom Wald. He chose 14 well-known historians, from Thucydides to Gibbon, Spangler, Toynbee and Kennedy, and examined their theories concerning the circumstances in which civilizations flourish or collapse. Then he tried to examine how these theories can be applied to the context of the Jewish people.

"Several of his conclusions provoked disagreement. For example: 'Getting all Jews into the same shape and country, even if it is Israel, as recently advocated by an Israeli [writer, A.B. Yehoshua - S.R.] is not the best survival strategy.' Some of the Israeli participants did not like that idea. Granting official legitimacy to the Diaspora would be a mistake, Meridor said, according to some of those who participated. That would be the end of Zionism as we know it.

"The fear expressed that 'a real decline of the West, particularly the United States, would have dramatic consequences for the Jewish people,' also led to controversy. Brandeis University president Jehuda Reinharz agreed that this type of decline can be expected 'in the coming two decades' - but Stuart Eisenstadt was less emphatic about it. He believes the United States will remain the leading power. In all events, it was agreed the Jews 'should strengthen cultural links with non-Western civilizations, particularly China and also India,' powers that are on the ascent. This is not a question of preference or closeness; it is a question of survival, of readiness for the future. How should this be done? That will have to be the topic of discussion in the next gatherings already being planned."


destructure said at December 17, 2013 3:30 PM:

The US supported the Arab Spring in hopes of trading dictators for democracy. It didn't work in Egypt so the army took power away from the Islamists.

Assad of Syria is a member of the unpopular alawite minority and needs help staying in power. Iran is helping him which makes Syria an Iranian puppet. Iran and Syria have also worked together to funnel arms to the Palestinians against Israel. Iran also controls Lebanon via Hezbollah. And supports the Iraqi shiite majority in their attacks against US forces in Iraq. Iran and Iraq are both majority Shiah so, with the US gone, they can take over Iraq and create an atomic Islamic superstate with Syria, Lebanon and Palestine as puppets.

Russia hasn't taken an active role but backs Iran and Syria against the US. I guess the cold war never really ended.

Naturally, this threatens Israel as well as the Saudis. The sunni/wahabi saudis have been at odds with the shiah Iranians for centuries. To add to the bad blood running between the two countries, Saudi Arabia is a kingdom of ethnic Arabs and Iran is populated by ethnic Persians. This ethno-religious "cold war" also aligns them with the US against Russia. So it makes sense that Israel, Saudis and US want to topple Assad. And they're using Al Qaeda rebels to do it. If you'll recall, 15 of the Al Qaeda hijackers were Saudi. That wasn't a coincidence. The Saudis control Al Qaeda. That's why the US suddenly started supporting Al Qaeda rebels in Syria. That's why the US looks the other way when Al Qaeda rebels massacre Christian civilians. And it's why the US tried to blame the chemical weapons on Assad when the rebels were the ones who used them. It was a scheme to give the US an excuse to bomb Assad's military but it backfired.

Black Death said at December 17, 2013 5:03 PM:

US policy in the Middle East has been a total failure. Jimmy Carter thought that kicking out the nasty old Shah of Iran would bring democracy to that country. Ditto for Bush II and Saddam Hussein in Iraq. In 2003, Iran had two major enemies - Iraq and the Taliban. So the US destroyed Saddam's regime and suppressed the Taliban. Now Iran feels unthreatened and is relatively much more powerful. Syria is probably ground zero for an emerging Sunni-Shia war that will engulf the region. Iran, Assad's Syrian government and its supporters (including Hezbollah and the Syrian Christians) against the Al-Qaeda dominated Syrian rebels with lots of help from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Sheikdoms, plus Turkey and maybe Egypt (which has its own problems right now). Interestingly, Israel and Saudi Arabia are making nice toward each other as they face the Iranian threat.

Wow! What a mess! Best thing we can do is stay out.

Check it out said at December 18, 2013 3:14 PM:

Failure? What failure? It's all a huge success, you only have to ask the lobbyists and big companies. Well, just follow the smell of money.

War and destruction are great business for America. Remember that the purpose of the wars and coups in other people's land is not for them to be won, but to be maintained.

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