2013 September 06 Friday
Morsi Backers Take Over Egyptian Town, Terrorize Christians
The inevitable result of neocon policies.
While the United Nations worries about a local shooting in Florida, in Egypt, a group of Islamists who back their nation's ousted leader, fellow Islamist Mohammed Morsi, have taken over the town of Dalga where 20,000 Christians now live under oppression, fear, and violence.
Among our elites there is a double (really at least quadruple) standard for caring about religious groups in the Middle East. Christians are dead last in that multitudinous standard: The New Republic bashes Rand Paul for caring about Syrian Christians. But who takes the biggest brunt of the neocon campaign to invade and reshape the Middle East? The Christians. Take Iraq as an example: more than half of Iraq's Christians have fled since the US 2003 invasion. No doubt more would flee if they could.
Let us be real: If Assad is overthrown in Syria then the death toll among Iraq's Christians will rise, they'll be terrorized, raped, robbed, brutalized. Islam takes a dim view of Christianity and Christians.
American Christians should wake up and understand what liberal and neocon hawkish policies spell for Middle Eastern Christians: persecution. A far more reasonable policy: work to carve out a Christian homeland in the Middle East. A part of Lebanon and a part of Syria ought to become a new refuge nation for Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, and other Middle Eastern Christians.
By Randall Parker at 2013 September 06 11:11 AM
I firmly support everything stated here, but they would never allow a Christians only ethno or religious state to exist no matter if the Christians were in that area before Islam ever came into being. A Christian state placed where you stated (bordering Israel) in a calmer period of Middle East tensions would be a huge tourist attraction and relatively prosperous considering Syrian Christians are higher on the socioeconomic scale. Jealousy of neighbors and religious tensions would not want to see a successful Christian state next door, especially if it became a tourist attraction for millions of Western Christians wishing to see historical church sites and enjoy the Mediterranean coast. Lebanon was a prosperous coastal state in the ME dominated politically by Christians. The Muslims didn't let that last.
Randall Parker wrote: " A far more reasonable policy: work to carve out a Christian homeland in the Middle East. A part of Lebanon and a part of Syria ought to become a new refuge nation for Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, and other Middle Eastern Christians."
It's a very good idea for Christian enclaves to declare independence in the Arab world, but why would you want the Coptic Egyptian Christians to be exiled all the way to Syria or Lebanon? The Egyptian Christians are at least 10 % of the Egyptian population of Egypt. This means that there are at least 8 million Christians in Egypt. And according to other estimates that claim that up to 15 % of Egypt might be Coptic Christians, so there might be more than 10 million Christians in Egypt.
Thus the Coptic Christians of Egypt are far more numerous than the Christians in Lebanon and Syria combined. This means that the well-established and cultured Egyptian Christians might as well declare independence in their enclaves in 10 % of Egypt instead of being exiled and relocated to Syria or Lebanon. The Coptic Christians were in Egypt long before the Muslims, they were among the first Christians in the world.
Of course, any attempt by the Syrian, Egyptian, Lebanese or Iraqi Christians to declare states would be seen as a Western or Zionist plot to colonize the Muslim World. But note that arming the Christians to declare independence would be a lot cheaper than any other solution, both economically and militarily. A well defined territory with 10 % Christian population would be much easier to defend militarily (compared to nation building in a multi-ethnic country as in Iraq), as long as the borders are clear.
Typographical error above: I mean 100 % Christian population in the declared independent enclaves, not 10 %. Once the borders are defined, defense would be much easier.
I think it is important to raise policy proposals that make sense even if they have a snow ball's chance in hell. I want to illustrate how far the mainstream debate is from real solutions.
A part of Lebanon and a part of Syria ought to become a new refuge nation for Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, and other Middle Eastern Christians.
Why not the Gaza strip and the eastern Sinai? Two birds, one stone.
Your efforts are appreciated, Randall. I'd love to see such a nation. A problem with denigrating the past and overemphasizing the law is that a population can start to believe that what is today will always be and when something passes it will last forever. We once passed immigration restriction laws and performed Operation Wetback. No way could we do either of those things now despite our problems due to immigration or the law breaking status of many immigrants. We live in a mad world.