2013 August 21 Wednesday
Prosecutions Of People Who Train Better Liars

Really, I am not making this up. A McClatchy piece explains: You are not allowed to get trained in how to lie. The natural liars in high government posts don't want the competition.

WASHINGTON ó Federal agents have launched a criminal investigation of instructors who claim they can teach job applicants how to pass lie detector tests as part of the Obama administrationís unprecedented crackdown on security violators and leakers.

Amazing comments in the article. Read the whole thing.

My reaction: The state wants compliant subjects whose motives are easy to discern and manipulate.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2013 August 21 10:02 PM 

Wolf-Dog said at August 21, 2013 10:57 PM:

Whether the current government attempts to prosecute the instructors that train liars is Draconian or not, the fact is that if these shady instructors become successful in training infiltrators to damage national security, then this will represent an existential threat for the future of the United States in a few decades.

For the moment, the U.S. does NOT have a powerful enemy that is threatening its existence, but after three or four decades, if there is a new "hair-trigger" Cold War II between superpowers, when the fate of the world would be decided within seconds instead of within 20 minutes that took the ICBMs to travel from North America to Asia, then just a few highly placed spies can be totally devastating.

So it is possible that instead of prosecuting these "instructors" the NSA might even just lock them in a room and throw away the room.

ivvenalis said at August 21, 2013 11:42 PM:

Clinching your asshole causes the polygraph readings to spike--the article refers to this as "muscle tensing". (You can also bite your tongue, but it's harder to hide and of course you can't talk while you do it.) This is really obvious and polygraph operators know exactly what it is, so the trick is to do it slowly as you answer. This requires practice, and most people don't have a polygraph machine sitting around to practice with, so there you go. That and remain calm/watch your breathing. That's really all there is to it, unless you want to take a downer before the test too.

Wolf-Dog: spy agencies etc. are already known to conduct this training. So the "infiltrator" would have to be a domestic citizen without foreign support.

Wolf-Dog said at August 22, 2013 9:18 PM:

Ivvenalis: Of course, foreign spy agencies conduct their own training to pass polygraph tests, but the most dangerous spies in the United States would be the innocent-looking Americans who were born and bred here, who are hired by the NSA at a young age. Snowden was a relatively low ranking technician with very limited education, and despite his innate computer programming talent, he obviously did not know the most esoteric espionage algorithms, etc. The most dangerous people in the national security establishment would be extremely well educated Americans who were trained at top universities, who have top-secret security clearance, but with an undetected personality that makes them capable of betraying their country for various reasons.

And given the fact that due to the nature of capitalism, a well-financed private spy school inside the United States can potentially train job applicants to outfox the the government-funded interview process (allowing unreliable people to gain top-secret security clearances in the US government), there are good reasons to worry about such private "instructors" who train liars for financial gain.

Kudzu Bob said at August 24, 2013 10:14 PM:

They lie to us. Why shouldn't we lie to them? Bastards.

Wolf-Dog said at August 24, 2013 11:55 PM:

In this case it is only fair if the politicians who are in the government are willing to take all the personality tests administered to NSA people.

Here is a new science-fiction movie that will be released in a few months. In this movie ("Justice is Mind, 2013), in the year 2026 the functional MRI machines become advanced enough to record the previous visual and auditory memories of people who take this test, and the court decides that this is admissible evidence against the person who took the test. Self-incrimination in some sense, and this is why there will also be special screenings of this film be at law schools.

Here is the trailer:


And this is the website for the movie:


This technology won't be available by 2026 as the film tries to predict, it will probably take many more decades until this kind of perfection is reached, but ultimately this will be done. If not by the end of this century, certainly by the end of the 22nd century... And this is why we must make sure that democracy survives as an open system, otherwise once an authoritarian government comes to power, it will be almost impossible to replace it after it gains access to such technology.

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