2013 May 31 Friday
Expensive To Recruit Poor People For College

The New York Times is pretty funny the way it writes about its natural allies in colleges and universities. A First World Cathedral problem:

“It’s expensive,” said Donald E. Heller, dean of the College of Education at Michigan State University. “You have to go out and identify them, recruit them and get them to apply, and then it’s really expensive once they enroll because they need more financial aid.”

But why is it that their parents are poor in the first place? The biggest answer to that question also means that the poor kid, once they enroll, will get lower grades, choose easier majors, and drop out at higher rates, and even make less money after graduating from the same major as an upper class kid. The ROI is low, actually really negative. Plus, the universities operate in ways that raise their costs. So their cost per student makes the ROI even more negative for teaching poor kids.

But the idea of innate differences in abilities and motivations isn't going to come up in a Cathedral discussion of education. We live in what Mencius Moldbug calls a type 2 society where the best ideas and the truth are suppressed when those with power do not want us to believe them.

Basically, a type 1 society is a government in which the State controls the press and the universities. A type 2 society is one in which the press and the universities control the State. It is easy to tell the two forms apart, but the customer experience is pretty much the same.

Great essay from 2008. Recommended reading.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2013 May 31 09:08 PM 

destructure said at June 1, 2013 5:35 PM:

Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and his colleague Alexandria Radford analyzed admissions data for their book “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admissions". They found that “When lower-class whites are matched with lower-class blacks and other non-whites the degree of the non-white advantage becomes astronomical: lower-class Asian applicants are seven times as likely to be accepted to the competitive private institutions as similarly qualified whites, lower-class Hispanic applicants eight times as likely, and lower-class blacks ten times as likely.

There are so few high achieving NAMs that selective universities are spending all their financial aid in a bidding war to bribe them to attend. Obviously, most of the high achieving NAMs come from wealthy families living in upper middle class communities attending private schools. And this is exactly where a disproportionate share of their financial aid goes -- not to poor NAMs but to wealthy NAMs. If they recruited poor people they'd have to give financial aid to more poor whites and that doesn't help their diversity goals.

Affirmative action is about rich whites favoring rich blacks while pretending to help poor blacks and looking down their noses at poor whites.

Randall Parker said at June 1, 2013 6:06 PM:


Lower class bright white kids should get out of high school a year or two early, go to state schools, and study engineering. They should view elite institutions as enemy territory and find another path.

Check it out said at June 6, 2013 4:25 PM:

Randall Parker said at June 1, 2013 6:06 PM: "They should view elite institutions as enemy territory and find another path."

Wow, lately you sound so socialist Randall. Good for you! Furthermore, the only way for there to be a real opportunity for bright poor kids is that there be free public universities.

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