2013 May 26 Sunday
Sixth Night Of Burnings In Sweden

A thousand points of light: The immigrants insist on drawing attention to the folly of letting them in. Will the Swedes insist on not learning a lesson from this episode? This article title is telling: Parking Tickets Issued on Wrecks while Stockholm Burns. The Leviathan is gratuitously cruel.

One reason I'm not optimistic about the future of the human race: If life gets too easy there's a big tendency of people to just toss wrenches into cogs and gears of society. Take away the beneficial selective pressures of the Malthusian Trap and I do not see where the corrective forces come from to stop behaviors that gradually screw up a human populace. Where's the selective pressure for prudence going to come from once the imprudent are not more likely to die? Growing parasitism seems inevitable.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2013 May 26 06:03 PM 


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destructure said at May 26, 2013 6:27 PM:

"Take away the beneficial selective pressures of the Malthusian Trap and I do not see where the corrective forces come from to stop behaviors that gradually screw up a human populace."

Exactly! That's not an easy concept to grasp. I only realized it myself in the last couple of years. A person's psychology is genetic but it responds to certain stimuli. People evolved in a harsh world and still need a certain amount of hardship in their lives to develop a healthy psychology. Life is so easy for most people that they're not getting enough hardship. Especially the upper classes. This is a theme in one of the worst and cheesiest scifi movies ever -- Zardoz.

Check it out said at May 27, 2013 3:04 PM:

When any country is in economic trouble it is very usual to dogmatically blame minorities and immigrants. Working immigrants are not the cause of America's economic troubles, but government policies and big corporations, religious ministers too. They are the real parasitism. It'd be a good idea to turn your hate towards the real menace who suckles from capitalism, which has become a system that forces you to pay for basic human rights like health care, education and clean tap water. To take care of its citizes is a government's first and most important obligation, otherwise the so called "government" really becomes just another image of the lucrative corporation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GorqroigqM

Immigrants are one fundamental pillar still sustaining the frail U.S. dollar. They usually work hard and produce for you and they pay their taxes. You're views are archaic and outdated, Randall.

Daniel said at May 27, 2013 3:11 PM:

>>Immigrants are one fundamental pillar still sustaining the frail U.S. dollar.
Evidence?
>>They usually work hard and produce for you
Evidence?
>> and they pay their taxes. You're views are archaic and outdated, Randall.
Evidence?

Fazool said at May 27, 2013 4:08 PM:

Check it out said at May 27, 2013 3:04 PM:

Hence the success of places like Detroit. But at least those Chechen bombers got welfare.

Randall Parker said at May 27, 2013 7:29 PM:

Check it out,

People who have high skills and high IQs who also work hard are pillars of the economy. Others, not so much. So it depends on which immigrants (or which natives) you are talking about.

People living in poverty are not pillars of the US economy.

WJ said at May 27, 2013 9:07 PM:

1) The Boston Marathon bombers.
2) The execution of Lee Rigby.
3) The riots in Stockholm.
4) The stabbing of a French soldier in Paris.
5) The beating of a prison guard by three radical Muslim inmates in York.
6) The defacing of several veterans' memorials n Britain.
7) The shutdown of the Brooklyn Bridge today due to a suspicious vehicle.

Muslims appear to be doing everything to warn us about the dangers of letting them into our countries. We should listen. If the Tories in London don't take advantage of this opportunity to end Muslim immigration completely, they will give a huge boost to the prospects of UKIP in the next elections. The murder of Lee Rigby may be to ending Muslim immigration what Matthew Shepard's murder was to gay rights. Perhaps no single soldier's death will ever be more consequential to British history than that of Lee Rigby. May his death not be in vain.

Wolf-Dog said at May 28, 2013 1:21 AM:


But on this occasion, it is also important to note that the terrorists who were responsible for the machete killing of the British soldier in London, were born in UK, and they were converts to Islam from Christianity. Their parents were originally from Nigeria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Woolwich_attack

In addition, there are many so-called European "white Muslims", who are ethnic Europeans who have recently converted to Islam due to being disgruntled for personal reasons (not counting the Balkan countries).

As the economic inequality gets worse, there may be more disgruntled European converts who will add an extra layer of complexity to the current war that is going on.

James Bowery said at May 28, 2013 2:13 PM:

Daniel, all the evidence you need is in the race replacement of lands being accomplished by the nations originating the immigrants. Natural selection has designated them as The Chosen People. Civilization is Natural. People bear no responsibility for civilization's consequences as long as there exists plausible deniability of intent. These consequences should be respected and welcomed with open arms as Gods Will. Any deliberate action to direct evolution is being anaziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, hence illegal, immoral and fattening.

Check it out said at May 30, 2013 4:53 PM:

Evidence? Well, what's the evidence in favor of all the trash talk around here? Is it that sometimes a few immigrants do something illegal? The majority of the most dangerous criminals are citizens. Do you want evidence on that too?

Evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0eecWSa3No

Evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezmzE8LYi8k

Evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNSQ4c2ybQE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XByd4q0E6ME

The richest state in the U.S. is California and has been so for many years. It also has the highest percentage and number of immigrants. Is it just coincidence? Same rule applies generally for any other states with lots of immigrants like Texas, etc.

I do hope the U.S. will one day really kick out all immigrants -illegal immigrants just to start with- so you can see the economic mess the country will be in, while you drool open-mouthed in disbelief at your wish come true.

Fazool said at May 30, 2013 6:10 PM:

"The majority of the most dangerous criminals are citizens."

Indeed. Citizen darkies...

destructure said at May 30, 2013 9:26 PM:

The richest state in the U.S. is California and has been so for many years. It also has the highest percentage and number of immigrants. Is it just coincidence? -- Check it out

Probably reverse causation. Rather than immigration growing the economy it's likely the growing economy attracts immigrants. Regardless, a study by Dr Borjas shows the benefit immigration provides native born Americans is negligible because nearly all the benefits go to immigrants themselves. What good does that do me? But it gets worse. The increase supply of labor reduces employer labor costs by $400 Billion. Good for them but bad for workers. Its a $400 Billion wealth transfer from workers to corporations.

http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

Randall Parker said at May 31, 2013 8:39 PM:

Check it out,

Your views of California's economic prosperity are out of date. California is ranked 15 in per capital personal income and it is dropping. It used to be ranked 8 as recently as 2007. The highest ranked states are in the Northeast.

The reasons for this are obvious.

truju said at June 1, 2013 5:36 AM:

The solution may be that anyone can qualify for minimal welfare, but the requirement to receive aid is to be sterilized in a quick and simple outpatient procedure.
That way people who can't function in this society won't leave descendants.

Bob Arctor said at June 1, 2013 9:05 AM:

"Your views of California's economic prosperity are out of date. California is ranked 15 in per capital personal income and it is dropping."

And if you adjust for the sky high cost of living in the state California falls all the way down to 43rd out of 50, beat out by world renowned economic powerhouses such as Louisiana (23rd), Alabama (34th), Arkansas (35th), and Mississippi (42nd). On the plus side, it barely squeaked out razor close wins (of about $60 a year) over South Carolina (45th) and (of about $140 a year) over West Virginia (47th).

Randall Parker said at June 1, 2013 10:36 AM:

Bob Arctor,

The biggest advantage to California is the mild weather in its coastal areas. That is its main appeal to to many and what people are paying more for. Plus, Silicon Valley has better paying tech jobs than anywhere else. But I think the continued decline in per capita income is going to place a growing burden on the highly productive portion of the population. So it will become an even less attractive place to live.

I'm wondering where else makes more sense. I consider Oregon, Washington, and Idaho. Also, Florida is a contender.

Wolf-Dog said at June 1, 2013 8:01 PM:

Destructure wrote: " Rather than immigration growing the economy it's likely the growing economy attracts immigrants. Regardless, a study by Dr Borjas shows the benefit immigration provides native born Americans is negligible because nearly all the benefits go to immigrants themselves. What good does that do me? But it gets worse. The increase supply of labor reduces employer labor costs by $400 Billion. Good for them but bad for workers. Its a $400 Billion wealth transfer from workers to corporations."
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This depends on the quality of immigrants. The success of Silicon Valley (and hence the accelerated adoption of technology in the US and in the world in general, improving the quality of life for most people) is very much caused by the immigration of the smartest people in the world: Google is just one example, but all Silicon Valley companies are full of immigrant engineers of the highest caliber. Most Silicon Valley engineers are not stealing the jobs of anyone. On the contrary, their innovation is responsible for creating jobs for the rest of the country.

On the other hand, it is true that outside the less skilled immigrants do steal some jobs from the native born Americans, but this is the main point of Randall Parker: Accept only the high quality immigrants like Canada, Australia, etc.. Note carefully that countries like Canada have a "point system" which selects especially those potential immigrants that have skills, talent and culture that will be a net benefit to the country. Accept only the high quality immigrants, and the $400 billion wealth transfer from workers to corporations will be replaced with a net benefit for the average citizen, thanks to the innovation and jobs that the incoming talent will be generating. Accept the lowest quality immigrants, and there will be a net loss for the average citizen.

Thus it is the quality of the immigrants that is the issue here.

James Bowery said at June 2, 2013 9:51 AM:

The continual harping on "this causes that" in the social sciences as the basis for imposing public policies on people who do not consent to the causal hypotheses is unforgivable. When I say "unforgivable" I mean it. It means war.

Just because sortocracy (sorting proponents of social theories into governments that test them) has not been the normal mode of dispute resolution in civilization doesn't mean it is forgivable to ignore it as such now. Cars, 747s and international corporations weren't the normal mode of gene exchange in civilization. Experimenting on unwilling human subjects deserves the death penalty. Ignoring the need for control groups in testing causal hypotheses may be ok for a primitive in the jungles of the Amazon, but for someone occupying a position of trust and authority in civilization, it also deserves the death penalty.

J. said at June 3, 2013 7:52 PM:

Your views of California's economic prosperity are out of date. California is ranked 15 in per capital personal income and it is dropping.

And that's an average figure. Any assessment of California's economy has to take into account the enormous disparity in wealth.

It wasn't always nearly so huge. The years 1945-1965 saw negligible foreign immigration, and they were glory years for the ordinary worker in California. There probably wasn't a better place than California for the common man to live in the US.


Check it out said at June 5, 2013 2:50 PM:

I wasn't talking about personal income Randall. I said, and quote myself: "The richest state in the U.S. is California and has been so for many years. It also has the highest percentage and number of immigrants. Is it just coincidence?" There's a big difference I hope you notice.

According to your logic Alaska should then be the richest state because its wages -a type of income- are the highest.


California IS still the richest state in the U.S. In fact its wealth is usually compared not only with other states, but with world economies, unlike any other U.S. state.

Check it out said at June 5, 2013 3:25 PM:

Randall wrote: "People who have high skills and high IQs who also work hard are pillars of the economy."

No Randall. People who have high skills and high IQs who also work hard are pillars for themselves. And it also depends what kind of work those high IQs do, right?

What? Do you want to have all engineers and scientists around you? What kind of a healthy economy can be so by doing away with -according to you- "low IQs" bricklayers, garbage workers, farmers, stockers, janitors, truck drivers, mechanics, carpenters, plumbers.......?

Just think Randall, who is really more indispensable in society and to the economy? If you had to choose, who would you decide away massively or completely: car/truck mechanics or quantum scientists? If you got rid of all garbage-disposal workers or instead all astrophysicists, what would bring a quicker collapse of the economy? If you had to choose who disappears at once, all farmers or all Federal Reserve Presidents, what would you choose?

Randall some things are so basic, it's not even funny explaining. That's what has happened to common middle-class Americans: They have forgotten the basics. You pretend to discuss politics, economics, immigration and defense, but you've forgotten how to read, how to add two and two, how to link together two ideas. Americans have become dogmatic in their opinions, therefore mentally dull. They have forgotten the origins of their opinions.

The construction of any healthy economy go from bottom to top. Forget about all those avantgarade theories that have manytimes become passing fads. Bottom to Top. Just like building a house, just like laying tiles, flying a plane, firing a missile or going to the Moon. Bottom to Top, just like learning math, growing vegetables, lifting weights, and in my case also, making love to a woman. Bottom to top, Bottom to top.

Making revolutions, building societies and projecting economies all start with the common people at the bottom. Bottom to Top, baby.


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