2013 March 09 Saturday
Thucydides And America: Foreign Adventures Gotta Go

Roosh finds some good stuff from Thucydides:

Athens’ biggest worry was the sheer recklessness of its own democratic government. A simple majority of the citizenry, urged on and incensed by clever demagogues, might capriciously send out military forces in unnecessary and exhausting adventures.

An alternative approach: separationism. They are there. We are here. They aren't here. We aren't there. Works for me.

Which reminds me of a speech from John Kerry when he became Secretary of State.

The United States risks losing the business and job opportunities of an expanding global economy, as well as the security that flows from promoting American values abroad, if America’s role in the world falls prey to the budget battle now gripping Washington, Secretary of State John Kerry said Wednesday

With about two thirds of US federal spending going to old folks and poor folks we've already shot our fiscal wad before we get to foreign adventures. We really need to cut out the foreign games so that government can provide basic non-welfare services like prisons, crime investigators, roads, bridges, and scientific research.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2013 March 09 09:03 PM 

Abelard Lindsey said at March 10, 2013 12:37 PM:


You're preaching to the choir about the need to dump the interventionist foreign policy. However, the GOP has a serious addiction to the interventionist foreign policy.

Joseph Moroco said at March 10, 2013 4:43 PM:

We have closed the balloting at the Neutralist . You have been named the Neutralist of the Week. You may never live it down.

Sam said at March 11, 2013 12:15 AM:

"Athens’ biggest worry was the sheer recklessness of its own democratic government..." This made me immediately think of Alcibiades. A nation wrecker if there ever was one. I believe that he was a psychopath. Read his history and it becomes clear. He made the Spartans believe he was more Spartan than themselves. Psychopaths are great chameleons. They only think of themselves and power. They also ruin all around them. Makes you wonder how many run the USA? The attack of Syracuse by Athens is I believe comparable to the USA's response to 9/11. Look at building #7 on that day and think very, very hard how it symmetrically fell from...fires? The fires even made it fall at the acceleration speed of gravity for a hundred and five feet. According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds].”

shiva1008 said at March 11, 2013 5:44 AM:

Roosh likes to dress up his debauchery with the occasional show of intellectualism. I'm guessing he feels guilty for doing nothing productive with his life, since he comes from a middle class background.

On the face of it, I'm sure it looks like Roosh is doing something useful by teaching young men how to engage in debauchery and sexual arbitrage. But really all he is doing is taking away value from the countries he visits, and leading others to do the same. One clear sign is that he has no clear values or principles. Like a true sociopath, he merely professes what is useful in any given context, and talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Randall Parker said at March 17, 2013 11:26 PM:


I'll take useful insights from any source, regardless of what moral failings the person might have. I think Heartiste in particular generates lots of great insights. He's much smarter and more intellectually productive. What I like about the PUA guys is they are describing how the world really works.

Debauchery with women: They are up for it. That's the key thing to keep in mind.

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