2012 July 08 Sunday
China Cracks Down On Illegal Immigrants

Fines, imprisonment, and deportation.

China urged its citizens to report suspected illegal immigrants as it passed a new law with harsher punishments for foreigners living or working illegally in the country, Xinhua news agency reported. The rules reflect growing concerns about foreign labor, a new issue for China as it has opened to the outside world.

Suppose living standards in China quadruple. Will commercial interests buy enough influence in China to open the doors to large scale importation of cheaper manual laborers? Or will they view this as foolish and prefer robots instead? I expect by the time living standards in China get that high demand for lower skilled workers will collapse due to automation.

If a developed country keeps out manual laborers the resulting higher cost of labor will provide incentives to automate more rapidly. If, for example, the US stopped letting in any agricultural workers the farming equipment industry we'd see a faster rate of automation. Necessity is the mother of innovation and automation in agriculture. In spite of cheap (at least for the employers - not for taxpayers) labor farming automation is undermining the demand for farm labor. Our wine industry would catch up with the Australian wine industry's use of automation for example. Higher costs for lower skilled labor would cause automation of basic services like restaurants that would increase convenience.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2012 July 08 06:47 PM  Immigration Labor Market


Comments
Lonewolf said at July 9, 2012 6:18 AM:

Unfortunately, that happy day seems incredibly remote in the current doctrinaire-PC-corporatist political climate.

johndraper said at July 10, 2012 5:09 AM:

It's widely agreed that slavery held back the South, economically, by preventing automation and capital investment.

I've always said that we need a high minimum wage to prevent the same thing - we'll be better off in the long run. Now if we could just do something about all those unemployed people...

Check it Out said at July 10, 2012 3:20 PM:

I think every person should have the right to choose his/her own place of residence in the world.

Check it Out said at July 10, 2012 3:35 PM:

>"If a developed country keeps out manual laborers the resulting higher cost of labor will provide incentives to automate more rapidly."

Western governments rely on a simplistic economic model of human beings that allows inequality to grow, and offers nothing possitive in the face of the reactionary forces they've helped to awake around the world.

Let's hope China has the wisdom to pay attention and learn that for every action there's a reaction. The US has not been able to learn many things; for example that the enormous flows of immigrants is a reaction, that many forms of terrorism are a reaction, that Iran becomming nuclear is a reaction, that 911 was a reaction, that the constant tendency for Latin America to lean towards Socialism is a reaction, etc.

The progressive isolation of a country -because of its wealth or military power- is directly proportional to its progressive decay.

johndraper said at July 11, 2012 4:21 AM:

You got a point? If so, correct spelling might help you make it.

But seriously, read some stuff like this guy: http://econfuture.wordpress.com/

The future belongs to the intelligent, and the sad fact is that a lot of immigrants (and American citizens too) don't have the education to compete. Once robotics takes over unskilled labour and natural resources become increasingly expensive, we'll have enough trouble taking care of the people we already have.

I've got nothing against immigration from people who have something to contribute economically (and neither does China). But random mass immigration isn't going to help us. If people are going to come over and be non-productive or bid down labour prices then they might as well stay home where we can take care of them more cheaply.

McNeil said at July 11, 2012 7:00 PM:

"The future belongs to the intelligent, and the sad fact is that a lot of immigrants (and American citizens too) don't have the education to compete."

No, the future belongs to the reasonable, that is to those who are able to discover the truth. Remember that intelligence is not the same as reason. By the way intellignece is also not the same as education or ability to live from others. There are many idiots who hold a degree and that doesn't take their idiocy away.

The future belongs to those who really learn how to work together in order to, say, get rid of all politicians, corporation owners, religious ministers and other forms of social parasites. They are the real menace, not immigrants who do jobs you'll never dare to.

Check it Out said at July 12, 2012 1:02 PM:

>johndraper said "I've got nothing against immigration from people who have something to contribute economically (and neither does China)."

Well that's a lot of hypocritical and double-standard crap. Americans should start complaining illegal immigration when they themselves stop sending illegal immigrants to other countries. Now, one type of this American illegal alien is not the humble poor alien who crosses a border looking for work. No, no. He's rather the neanderthal disguised as a soldier who entered Irak, Afghanistan and many other countries illegally. He's the tough-talking, kick-ass idiot who now points machine guns at kids, rapes young girls and breaks doors into civilian neighbours yelling "everybody get on the fucken floor now!" and "stand the fuck back while we bring you freedom!"

High-skilled workers with a lot to contribute, huh?

Fo' Shizzle said at July 12, 2012 8:30 PM:

He's the tough-talking, kick-ass idiot who now points machine guns at kids, rapes young girls and breaks doors into civilian neighbours yelling "everybody get on the fucken floor now!" and "stand the fuck back while we bring you freedom!"

You mean like those negro rapists in Okinawa?

bbartlog said at July 13, 2012 6:55 AM:

China still has enough surplus labor that their economic incentive to automate is not that large. They may well adopt well-developed automation but it seems unlikely that they will do anything cutting edge (like the Japanese).

Pancho Villa said at July 13, 2012 10:56 AM:

The U.S. is not really serious about stopping illegal immigration simply because the U.S. needs cheap mexican labor, and that's that. It really is hypocritical bullshit and we all know it.

However if the U.S. government really stops playing the wanton capricious bitch on that matter and really lifts a supertall-ass fence along the border, perhaps that will really help Mexico finally turn its eyes to the rest of left-oriented Latin America, where it belongs and thus become Socialist. Mexico has wanted that for years but the U.S. just wouldn't allow. The majority of young Mexicans would like to have a real Mexican president and not just another U.S. stooge. The majority of Mexicans would rather have more interaction with Europe, Russia, China and the rest of Latin America. The majority of Mexicans would like the U.S. out of Mexican politics. Mexicans and Latin Americans in general, just like the rest of the world, are really bored of and fed up with the U.S.

Sometimes I really wonder.... Sometimes I really think.... Sometimes it becomes blatant how the U.S. needs Mexico as much as Mexico needs the U.S.

Please, please and pretty please, close the borders and kick all illegal immigrants out. Do it. Hey, how about not allowing any more Mexicans at all. Leave Mexico alone with the rest of Latin America. The U.S. will do fine with Canada and.... well, just Canada. Those two can continue playing the isolated tightasses in the Global Village, while the rest of the world moves on.

Zamman said at August 1, 2012 9:25 AM:

"Sometimes it becomes blatant how the U.S. needs Mexico as much as Mexico needs the U.S."

"Please, please and pretty please, close the borders and kick all illegal immigrants out. Do it. Hey, how about not allowing any more Mexicans at all. Leave Mexico alone with the rest of Latin America. The U.S. will do fine with Canada and.... well, just Canada. Those two can continue playing the isolated tightasses in the Global Village, while the rest of the world moves on."


Wow, I'm not so sure about that Pancho, but that's kind of gutsy, I'll grant you that.

Zamman said at August 21, 2012 3:42 PM:

Pancho Villa said at July 13, 2012 10:56 AM, and I think there's some truth to it:

"The U.S. is not really serious about stopping illegal immigration simply because the U.S. needs cheap mexican labor, and that's that. It really is hypocritical bullshit and we all know it.

However if the U.S. government really stops playing the wanton capricious bitch on that matter and really lifts a supertall-ass fence along the border, perhaps that will really help Mexico finally turn its eyes to the rest of left-oriented Latin America, where it belongs and thus become Socialist. Mexico has wanted that for years but the U.S. just wouldn't allow. The majority of young Mexicans would like to have a real Mexican president and not just another U.S. stooge. The majority of Mexicans would rather have more interaction with Europe, Russia, China and the rest of Latin America. The majority of Mexicans would like the U.S. out of Mexican politics. Mexicans and Latin Americans in general, just like the rest of the world, are really bored of and fed up with the U.S.

Sometimes I really wonder.... Sometimes I really think.... Sometimes it becomes blatant how the U.S. needs Mexico as much as Mexico needs the U.S.

Please, please and pretty please, close the borders and kick all illegal immigrants out. Do it. Hey, how about not allowing any more Mexicans at all. Leave Mexico alone with the rest of Latin America. The U.S. will do fine with Canada and.... well, just Canada. Those two can continue playing the isolated tightasses in the Global Village, while the rest of the world moves on."

Randall Parker said at August 22, 2012 8:30 PM:

Zamman,

The US needs scientists, engineers, managers, and not much else. Robots are going to replace more manual labor. What manual labor is needed for manufacturing is cheaper in China and India. So I do not see what Mexico has to offer the United States.

Check it out said at September 11, 2012 6:56 PM:

>"The US needs scientists, engineers, managers, and not much else."

Really? How can you really believe that?

The US needs ALL sorts of people for all sorts of jobs.


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