2012 February 21 Tuesday
Egypt: Meet The New Boss, Same As The Old Boss

The new regime is content to keep down women, secularists, Christians, and others who don't share their values.The new repression comes with a more Islamic and populist flavor

The newly politically empowered Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamic organization that supports religious law and opposes Western influence, has supported a crackdown on those who disagree with them, including the very activists who helped bring about the free elections that the Brotherhood dominated.

This is so predictable. I quote Razib Khan: "The reality is that most Egyptians have barbaric attitudes on a whole host of questions (e.g., ~80 percent of Egyptians favor the death penalty for apostasy from Islam)." Read the whole thing.

I hear Roger Daltry singing. The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again.

Update: Also see Razib Khan's posts You know barbarians when you see them and Why are Muslims so eloquently barbaric.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2012 February 21 07:17 PM  Civilizations Clash Of


Comments
smb said at February 21, 2012 9:20 PM:

More like, "Will Get Fooled Again (And Again, And Again, And Again)."

HC said at February 22, 2012 10:55 AM:

This is good ammunition for use against the under-AIPAC's-thumb war-mongers who call anyone who isn't an isolationist. These jokers have no idea how their interventions are going to end up. The worst example of errant intervention was the U.S. intervening in the First World War. That crime directly led to the sorry state of the West today.

Brendon Carr said at February 22, 2012 3:05 PM:

The discussion in the Arab world is not about democracy, it's a fight over whose foot will be in the boot on the neck of the people.

oliver said at February 22, 2012 3:32 PM:

HC- right. Muslims have issues, gotta be Jews fault. axiomatically.

Check it Out said at February 22, 2012 4:44 PM:

"The reality is that most Egyptians have barbaric attitudes on a whole host of questions (e.g., ~80 percent of Egyptians favor the death penalty for apostasy from Islam)."

Oh, but how much christians would also love to impose such punishments for apostasy from Christianity! Being a nonbeliever in the Bible Belt has become so dangerous, I would include in the extreme sports list.

Check it Out said at February 22, 2012 4:48 PM:

"The discussion in the Arab world is not about democracy, it's a fight over whose foot will be in the boot on the neck of the people."

Exept for the word "Arab", I thought for a moment that you were talking about the USA there Brendon.

bbartlog said at February 22, 2012 4:59 PM:

And the Muslim Brotherhood are the moderates. The Salafists only have about 25% support in parliament, but if *they* get to be part of a governing coalition at some point we'll really see some interesting events.
The other thing that bodes poorly is the whole Malthusian abyss problem that Egypt has... they've overshot their carrying capacity bigtime, a situation enabled by oil exports. When the oil runs low and people start starving (they don't have anything else to export of great value, so far as I can tell), who will they blame? Probably the Jews, if history is any guide.

Randall Parker said at February 22, 2012 7:38 PM:

Check it Out,

I've known lots of fundamentalist Christians and still know quite a few. None of them want to kill unbelievers.

I don't get deep resentment for fundie Christians. What are they doing that is so incredibly terrible? Its the liberals who enforce an orthodoxy on HBD and other issues that force people into pseudonyms and who marginalize great accomplished people who accidentally say something against secular dogma. Intellectuals on the Right are far more accepting of people who disagree. Intellectuals on the Left are eager to marginalize and silence.

Check it Out said at February 23, 2012 4:58 PM:

"What are they doing that is so incredibly terrible?"

Creationism as a school subject, just to mention one. That is fundamentalism and that to me, is terrible.

By the way, is killing the only form of fundamentalism?

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuM1WC52-no

You probably have already.

oliver said at February 23, 2012 6:30 PM:

In juxtaposition, sorry to be an ad hoc shill for AIPAC, we have the auspicious neighbors to Egypt's north:

http://www.jpost.com/Health/Article.aspx?id=259003

Seems to be a qualitative difference in focus...

Bertie Wooster said at February 23, 2012 9:02 PM:

"What are they doing that is so incredibly terrible?" Creationism as a school subject, just to mention one. That is fundamentalism and that to me, is terrible.

The teaching of creationism #or "Intelligent Design"# still isn't very widespread. I went to high school in a Southern city where fundamentalism was the dominant ideology. Evolution was taught, without any controversy, and without creationism alongside it.

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, etc. have all taught us that democratic ideals and respect for individual rights cannot be imposed, at any cost. The people have to embrace it. Sometimes I think we barely embrace them in the US. For example, the number of "friends" I have #i.e., Facebook friends# who just plain take for granted that Catholic-affiliated charities should be forced to fund a medical benefit they morally oppose is staggering. These friends just seem to assume it is the role of government to delve into the minutiae of corporate health benefits. And if government can regulate that, there's nothing it can't regulate.

AMac said at February 24, 2012 6:39 AM:

Check it Out,

As another data point, I'm a nonbeliever who's around conservative Christians a lot. Not only have none of them tried to kill me lately, I don't even sense hostility. Even though they all know my situation, no efforts at converting me. Either I'm liked and accepted as I am, or there's some really good maskirovka at work.

So our experiences are pretty different. I wonder why.

Randall Parker said at February 25, 2012 9:34 PM:

Check it Out,

Fundamentalists of the liberal secular faith believe the Standard Social Science Model that holds all cognitive differences are the result of environment. The SSSM is enforced with a zeal and thoroughness that puts fundie creationists to shame.

The left's view of evolution amounts to a form of neo-Cartesian dualism where the genes for the brain are believed to have been held independent of the forces of evolution for tens of thousands of years. Its crazy. But that's what they enforce in the media and social science and humanities departments.

Aurelius said at February 26, 2012 10:09 AM:

Fundamentalist Christians can be annoying - very annoying - and I believe some of their attitudes are a threat to halting America's decline, such as their obsession with Israel; their embrace of silly political issues while ignoring the greater threats like illegal immigration; and their love of candidates like Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, and others. I have no doubt that if you took 10 or 20 million fundamentalists and put them in their own country that the government would go off in bizarre and sometimes extreme directions.

But in a pluralistic nation fundamentalists understand that there are directions they cannot go in and, thanks to the milder beliefs of Christianity as compared to Islam, would never really want to. Further, they're used to the freedoms allowed in modern America. They value those freedoms every bit as much as the rest of us.

Check it Out said at February 29, 2012 4:30 PM:

Well, maybe.


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