2012 January 22 Sunday
Open Marriage Beats Mormonism In South Carolina
Open marriage fan Newt Gingrich has won the South Carolina Republican primary.
My take: Animosity toward Mormonism exceeds any opposition the Religious Right has against adultery. In fact, a sense of shared Christian identity was a major reason Gingrich won.
Strange new world indeed.
Yet not terribly conservative Newt pretends he's running against a relatively more liberal Romney.
“In the end, sooner or later, it’s going to become Romney versus Gingrich, and then the natural conservative Republican Party is going to repudiate a Massachusetts moderate whose actual record is, frankly, pretty liberal.”
Of course, Newt's sexual behavior is the natural result of different levels of male and female desire for sex.
I can't think of a single issue on which Gingrich is more conservative than Romney (and many on which he is less conservative than Romney), yet it appears that he has been successful so far in conning Republican primary voters into believing otherwise simply by brazenly lying. It really is The Stupid Party.
A lot of the Republicans on the blogs I follow seem to like Gingrich just because he's pugnacious or combative or what have you. There's hardly any discussion of actual policies these days. Personally I doubt his schtick will play quite so well in the Midwest and West, and in any case Romney has a huge organizational advantage in the caucus states.
I think the words religious freedom don't go together. Organized religion is fanatism, intolerance and cruelty. Real FREEDOM can only flourish when "religious freedom" ceases to exist.
Religion is slavery; religion is evolution enslavement.
Didn't Gringrich advocate the Dickensian policy of making orphanages self financed by pimping the kids out for cleaning jobs?
I don't think Romney tried to pull that in the Bay State.
>"Organized religion is fanatism, intolerance and cruelty."
The root of the problem with lefties is that they don't know the meanings of words. (Or how to spell words, obviously, but that's not as big a deal)
The problem with solaris is his lack of analysis. When a person lacks depth in thought he/she starts heeding typos and spelling mistakes.
Lack of depth in a person's mind always leads to squeamishnesses, because that's as far as the person's ming can get.
Now, if solaris at least tried to prove God's existence, (which would only make an ass out of him/her) one might feel slightly interested in what he has to spit out.
Sorry solaris. Meant mind instead of ming. However you'll probably start picking on that as well insted of making a point. I'll be waiting sissy.
I was hoping "ming" would segue into a thread about Flash Gordon.
I thought I was the Merciless one but I have to bow to my master.
>"you'll probably start picking on that as well insted of making a point. I'll be waiting sissy."
>"The problem with solaris is his lack of analysis. When a person lacks depth in thought he/she starts heeding typos and spelling mistakes"
Looks to me like when a person lacks "depth in thought" and "analysis" he starts tossing around around silly ad homs like "sissy". What are you, thirteen?
>"Lack of depth in a person's mind always leads to squeamishnesse"
Uh huh. I'm sure that in your own mind, this sort of thing constitutes "in depth analysis", when in fact you're not very far advanced from the days when you responded to people saying things you didn't like with "You're a poo-poo head!"
Hey fellas, check this out:
By the way solaris, chill out man.
There's little reason to believe that religion swayed the SC primary vote. Republican idiots (but then I repeat myself) are mostly swayed by the phony combativeness Gingrich displays whenever the issue won't get him spanked by the Liberal establishment. Starving men will eat grubs and grass and the cowards of the conservative movement are thrilled when someone purporting to represent them sasses the establishment on ANYTHING, even if it is trivial. This is how they ought to talk to The System all the time, if they had any guts, but you'll never hear them talk this way about immigration or the destruction of Detroit. A movement of cowards led by crooks. This is politics as reality show, what you get in a nominally democratic system where there is no real democratic press.
Meanwhile, back at the holocaust . . .
Gingrich responded to a question by saying Romney was the most anti-immigrant of all four contenders on stage. "That's simply inexcusable," the former Massachusetts governor responded. "Mr. Speaker, I'm not anti-immigrant. My father was born in Mexico. My wife's father was born in Wales. ... The idea that I'm anti-immigrant is repulsive. Don't use a term like that," he added.
At the same time, Romney noted that Gingrich's campaign had been pressured to stop running a radio ad that called Romney anti-immigrant after Florida Sen. Marco Rubio called on Gingrich to do so. He called on Gingrich to apologize for the commercial, but got no commitment.
So what's your point solaris. Make it already if you have one, will you.
What's your point, "Jack K"? Make one already if you have one, will you?
MY point was that "Check it out" (you by another name?) does not know the meanings of words. As demonstrated by such gibberish as "Religion is slavery; religion is evolution enslavement"!
But I already said that. If you didn't understand it the first time I doubt if repeating it will help you.
>"By the way solaris, chill out man."
Who the fuck are you, "man"?
I feel like I've wandered into the Democratic Underground by mistake.
"Real FREEDOM can only flourish when 'religious freedom' ceases to exist."
Humans cannot flourish as "rugged individualists." We will always need supporting institutions to thrive. These institutions can be mandatory, like government, in which case there is little freedom; or they can be voluntary, like churches, in which case we always have the freedom to leave. I know which I would prefer. Freedom assumes a right to choose. As government has assumed more and more the roles once filled by religion #schools, hospitals, charities# we have continued to lose freedom.
As to Romney/Evangelicals:
1# His Mormonism isn't the whole issue, but it definitely adds to the sense of distance between Romney and Southern evangelicals: rich, Yankee, RINO, Mormon. I'm not thrilled with Romney as a candidate, but he's definitely better than Gingrich.
2) Lower-class evangelicals place more emphasis on belief than on behavior. Believing that Christ is your "personal savior" matters more than obedience. Because, ya know, Christ washes away our sins.
3) Evangelical churches by placing emphasis on belief over behavior, and liberal churches by placing emphasis on social justice over behavior, have drained a lot of the social value from organized religion. They are both theological dead ends.
4) Conservative distrust of Romney might actually make him a better president because, unlike with Bush #for the Iraq War, NCLB, Part D, immigration, etc.#, support from conservatives won't be automatic. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking, but I gotta believe in somethin'.
5) Of the 26% of voters in SC who said that a candidate sharing their religion 'matters a lot,' only 9% voted for Romney. Of those who said it didn't matter, about 40% voted for Romney. Of evangelicals overall #65% of voters# 22% voted for Romney.
6) Republicans don't need to boost their vote dramatically to win the 3 Southern states that they lost in 2008. NC and Florida were both VERY close in 2008, and in Virginia they'd need to swing about 3% of the voters. Where the GOP really needs help is in the West, the Midwest, and New Hampshire. Romney will do better in those places than Gingrich, and I'm pretty sure Southerners don't want another 4 years of Obama. If Romney wins the Midwest but loses the South, Evangelical Christians will take a big blow to their reputation. I don't think they're that stupid.
Oh you got me solaris! Or is it Bertie Wooster?. Well, I'm PJ Ray, you idiot. So who the fuck are you "solaris"? Want me to send you my picture and a résume to your kind attention?
Like I said, chill the fuck out and stop insulting people who don't agree with you. The only mistake around here is you, who are only hoping to get your idiotic beliefs reinforced. Well some just won't go for that.
You haven't fallen into no "democratic underhole". The only "underhole" is the one you have your head all the way in. So why don't you just go do yourself and get rid of that inferiority complex of yours and make a fucken point.
"We will always need supporting institutions to thrive"
Of course not, Bertie Wooster (or solaris if that be the case)
Many institutions are harmful parasites, like organized religion, KKK, the monarchy, the papacy or any other theocracy. How can anybody justify two thousand years of Inquisition, Crusades and child abuse? So much for your nazi two-thousand-year-old catholic institution from which all other christian religions derive, sucker.
Religion is an insult, whether it is islam, budhism or christianity in any of its catholic, protestant or orthodox versions.
there are all those admirable Mormons, whom I attention with amore and account - who so badly wish to be mainstreamed as Christians, and who are assertive that if they could just get a admiral adopted would accept a adventitious for all their missionary dreams to appear true. This allotment is a little heart-wrenching. Kind of like the aboriginal day your adolescent goes off to academy appropriately assured to accept a abundant time with new friends, and allotment home in tears because he got exhausted up on the playground.
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