2012 January 01 Sunday
Hispanics Vote As Democrats Over Money Issues

Audacious Epigone points to a Pew study that shows Hispanics are on the political Left over economic issues. This demonstrates the futility of Republican efforts to court them.

Pew just released the results of a survey on Hispanics in the US headlining with their reactions to an uptick in deportations carried out under the Obama administration as compared to the Bush administration. The report also contains other points of interest, including the emphasis placed on the question of immigration. Of the six issues participants were asked about, immigration came in dead last in the percentage of Hispanic voters who say they are "extremely concerned" about it. From most to least important: Jobs (50%), Education (49%), Health care (45%), Taxes (34%), Federal budget deficit (!) (34%), Immigration (33%).

Hispanics primarily favor Democrats because of the party's policies on health care and economics--policies that seek to transfer wealth from middle class whites to the (disproportionately Hispanic) poor. The GOP would have to move to the left of the Democratic party on both of these fronts to beat it at its own game and have a chance at winning over Hispanics, a move that would necessarily entail the Republican party ceasing to be conservative in any meaningful way.

I suspect the need for the Republican party to court lower class whites has already driven the party leftward of where it would otherwise be. Imagine a parallel history where there was no Hispanic influx. The elected Republicans at this point in time in this parallel history would probably be to the Right of where they are today and they'd hold many more legislatures and Congressional seats. California would still be a Republican state for example.

Since living standards are stagnating and poor Hispanics are a growing portion of the populace I expect the populace as a whole will shift Left. As Hispanics grow in number and the white Baby Boomers retire the lower labor market earning power of Hispanics will further lower average living standards. Add in the other pressures on living standards (e.g. Peak Oil, peak other stuff, and the "great stagnation" factors ) and it is hard to see how American living standards can even stay the same, let alone return to the post-WWII glory era when living standards rose every year. Look at a different Pew study on differences in household median wealth by ethnic group for a glimpse into America's poorer future.

From 2005 to 2009, inflation-adjusted median wealth fell by 66% among Hispanic households and 53% among black households, compared with just 16% among white households.

As a result of these declines, the typical black household had just $5,677 in wealth (assets minus debts) in 2009; the typical Hispanic household had $6,325 in wealth; and the typical white household had $113,149.

How will these poor people take care of themselves in old age? The demands for government support in old age will grow even as old age entitlements costs rise to unsustainable levels. People will have to work into their 70s. Higher earners will be taxed at higher rates and will get less in old age benefits. Save more. Work harder. Spend less.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2012 January 01 06:20 PM  Politics Ethnicity

eggwhite said at January 1, 2012 10:32 PM:

"Save more. Work harder. Spend less." And one is tempted to say, hide more. Find ways that your wealth can be shielded. And, please, take all you can from any government program - better for you to get it than someone who just stumbled over the border.

WJ said at January 1, 2012 11:33 PM:

Courting lower class whites doesn't necessarily drive the GOP to the left. To some degree lower class whites see themselves as different from lower class blacks and Hispanics. In many cases lower class whites oppose welfare programs because the income cutoffs are below what they themselves make. Without NAMs, these lower class whites might benefit from and thus support such programs. With NAMs, the income cutoffs are too low. See: Mississippi, where ~90% of whites voted for McCain.

One problem with importing Latin American poverty is that the native poor will increasingly be too rich to benefit from even worthwhile welfare programs. Head Start, for example, has been shown to have some positive impact on educational outcomes for whites, but little if any for blacks or Hispanics.

Sometimes differences between races can help illustrate a point. Unlike Europe, which until recently has lacked large numbers of blacks, in America race has helped to highlight how differences in behavior - such as high illegitimacy amongst blacks - coincide with higher rates of poverty.

SHTF said at January 2, 2012 9:20 AM:

"How will these poor people take care of themselves in old age?"

With our money. And eggwhite is right. Hide that dough and grab from the gubbmint. Better than NAMs getting it and producing more NAMs.

Make Believe Media said at January 2, 2012 10:18 AM:

"Since living standards are stagnating and poor Hispanics are a growing portion of the populace I expect the populace as a whole will shift Left. As Hispanics grow in number and the white Baby Boomers retire the lower labor market earning power of Hispanics will further lower average living standards."

Except that older white people vote, and Hispanics do not vote at anywhere near the numbers required, it would seem, to make a difference.

Of course, TPTB could simply steal the elections.

Zooey Mommy! said at January 2, 2012 10:23 AM:

What?? Nobody has spoken about IQ differences among different ethinic groups or reaces, yet.

Wow, that is amazing!

I'm sure it'll take just two or three more comments before all that racism comes out hidden in the form of an immigration issue.

Zooey Mommy said at January 2, 2012 10:24 AM:

oops, meant races. Excuse the typo.

SHTF said at January 2, 2012 10:56 AM:

--oops, meant races. Excuse the typo.--

We'll let that pass, NAMmy...

Tim said at January 2, 2012 11:20 AM:

I'm already planning to work until I am 70. I should have about $3000/month total of private pension and SS. No more vacations, nothing. I don't even plan on buying a home. I'm simply renting an apartment. I'm a white guy, I've got a BA in English, but this is now Mexamerica we live in. It's just something we have to live with now. No fighting it.

WJ said at January 2, 2012 12:10 PM:

Zooey Mommy cried: "What?? Nobody has spoken about IQ differences among different ethinic groups or [races], yet. Wow, that is amazing!"

See Randall's original post, where he states: "As Hispanics grow in number and the white Baby Boomers retire the lower labor market earning power of Hispanics will further lower average living standards."

The lower labor-market earning power is a result of their lower IQ/educability. But then Lefties are generally immune to serious discussion on the matter, so I wouldn't expect you to have caught that. It is not something desireable, nor something we celebrate. It is something that is a fact, that will eventually impoverish this country. Nearly half of all babies born in the US now are black or Hispanic. Wait 30-40 years and watch this country plummet. Oh wait - that's already happening.

solaris said at January 2, 2012 6:29 PM:

>"Except that older white people vote, and Hispanics do not vote at anywhere near the numbers required, it would seem, to make a difference"

Older white people, like older people in general, die. In the case of the older white people they will not be replaced by an equally large cohort of whites. In other words the racial composition of the country is shifting, and doing it rapidly. In the not very distant future Texas will go the road which California has already gone and shift from a reliably Republican state to a reliably Democratic one. That's not crystal ball prognosticating - it's based on the very safe assumption that today's existing young people will grow up and that today's 55 and older age group will dwindle over time.

Last year was the first year in US history when more non-white babies were born than white ones. Thirty years down the road the social, political and economic consequences of this will be felt, and they will be immense and destructive. The tidal wave is real and it's coming. Start building your ark today.

Audacious Epigone said at January 3, 2012 5:15 PM:

Solaris is exactly right. If current immigration patterns are not altered dramatically, the national electorate increasingly comes to mirror the contemporary electorate of California. There is no turning the golden state back, and there will be no turning the country back. The ratchet only moves in one direction.

Engineer-Poet said at January 3, 2012 6:44 PM:

Cut off the welfare system and under-the-table jobs which support all the illegal Mexicans and others, and they'll self-deport.  Eisenhower showed that the ratchet goes backwards with Operation Wetback, and an administration refusing to kowtow to La Raza and Jesse Jackson could work wonders.

California kid said at January 5, 2012 12:31 PM:

The whole paradigm of the USA since roughly 1964 is that White America is Jesus. All Whites have to do is wave their hands and all minorities will live like kings. If we don't do this, then we're bad, and each minority has their own shaming language to hit us with. We are racist, misogynist, anti-semitic, homophobic, nativist, selfish or whatever.

When Europe and the USA shut down most of their foreign colonies following WWII, this left a vacuum for White Liberals who wanted to help minorities. The Peace Corps was a partial solution, but who wants to live in the jungle ? Solution: Bring the minorities here. Pass the 1965 immigration act. Implement the Diversity Lottery. Open the Mexican border.

As long as the White Baby-Boomers were young and productive, it seemed like Whites as Jesus could go on forever. Millions of minorities could be immigrated into the USA every year and Whitey would pick up the tab. But now in 2011, the average boomer is 56 years old. A lot of them are dead already. Boomers are not able to carry the minorities for much longer.

Governor Jerry Brown is trying to finesse this problem in California by raising taxes on the remaining Whites in the state. The minority immigrants here are largely anarchist or poor and don't pay much tax. The basic problem for border states like California is that they're running out of White people.

The short term solution will be to try to tax White people wherever they flee to, but ultimately the paradigm will have to change. Look for "special" minorities to see to it that they "get theirs", and the others will be cut. So expect a lot of screaming and a lot of strife in the USA from now on.

Bertie Wooster said at January 6, 2012 12:32 AM:

"The short term solution will be to try to tax White people wherever they flee to..."

Exactly. That's the whole MO of the Obama Administration - up federal grants to states (with federal strings attached, which Obama pulls frequently (see education policy)) so that you're forced to pay for layabouts no matter where you live. A friend of mine in Memphis was complaining about this recently. Apparently there the overwhelmingly black city has a separate school district from the white 'burbs. So what did the city of Memphis do? Voted to abolish their schools and (theoretically) give control to the 'burbs. How the hell they can do that I don't know, but since the city is actually larger than the 'burbs the actual result is to give Memphis control of both school districts. Some of the outlying cities are now talking about forming their own school districts to avoid Memphis control, but you know what they'd have to do? BUY the buildings that *they're taxes* already paid for from the district they don't want to belong to, which is just Un-Fucking-Believable. Obamamerica, 2012.

From the article I linked: "But a major question facing a future municipal system from a facilities and funding standpoint is what happens to those county school buildings in Bartlett that will fall under a unified school system. According to a study done for Bartlett in February, the net book value of those 11 school buildings, plus the equipment and land, is about $65 million. While there is resistance to proposals that the county give school buildings to suburban municipal school districts, leaders such as McDonald point out that Memphis has taken over schools in annexations without having to pay for them under the reasoning that the newly annexed residents paid county taxes before annexation to cover those costs."

You can run, but your wallet can't hide.

Bertie Wooster said at January 6, 2012 12:34 AM:

Sorry, *their taxes.* When you choose to emphasize a phrase you better get the spelling right.

Zooey Mommy! said at January 8, 2012 4:43 PM:


Nammy, your Mommy. Did you already hit the fan? I'll step back from the screen so as to avoid being splashed by,,, you.

Seems to me that you're just another little white trash who confuses ethnicity with race and race with species. I think that overgeneralization is the result of your low IQ. There are no differences of intelligence among homo sapiens races. Although, who knows; recently they're discovering that whites have more Neanderthal genes than black Africans, because of probable interbreeding.


Some participants in this forum don't know much about science and therefore are prone racism and ready to hatred that come from reinforced dogma.

You are really not providing any interesting ideas. Get some elementary science facts first. Some of the fiercest racist here can start with books that are easy to understand like "The Dragons of Eden" or "The Origin of the Species"

By the way, I didn't cry as you typed. Is crying a lot of what you do, WJ? There, there.

Mthson said at January 8, 2012 5:20 PM:


The Black descendents of immigrants to the US from Africa & the Caribbean have significantly higher bachelor degree attainment rates than native US Whites, so we know it's possible for groups to have different performance.

When the roles are reversed in this way, skeptics will likely have no problem accepting that it's unlikely that groups with different selection histories have an identical distribution of intellectual genes.

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