2011 May 23 Monday
Whites See Selves As Victims Of Racism

Whites see themselves as the primary victims of racism in America.

MEDFORD/SOMERVILLE, Mass. -- Whites believe that they have replaced blacks as the primary victims of racial discrimination in contemporary America, according to a new study from researchers at Tufts University's School of Arts and Sciences and Harvard Business School. The findings, say the authors, show that America has not achieved the "post-racial" society that some predicted in the wake of Barack Obama's election.

Both whites and blacks agree that anti-black racism has decreased over the last 60 years, according to the study. However, whites believe that anti-white racism has increased and is now a bigger problem than anti-black racism.

What's notable: These whites are reaching these views in spite of the media that does not want them to form these opinions. Racial preferences in college admissions, jobs, promotions, scholarships, and in other forms register with the public as unfair.

A Tufts prof finds this result surprising.

 "It's a pretty surprising finding when you think of the wide range of disparities that still exist in society, most of which show black Americans with worse outcomes than whites in areas such as income, home ownership, health and employment," said Tufts Associate Professor of Psychology Samuel Sommers, Ph.D., co-author of "Whites See Racism as a Zero-sum Game that They Are Now Losing," which appears in the May 2011 issue of the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science.

Sommers misses the extent to which people compare themselves aiming for the same jobs, same slots in school admissions, and the like. Group average outcomes are besides the point if you want a promotion to detective on a police force or captain in a fire department but you get passed over for people who have lower test scores, less education, and fewer accomplishments. One's own life is very personal.

Regards zero-sum games: When economies stagnate for long periods of time and substantial fractions of a population experience stagnant or declining wages for decades life does begin to look like a zero sum game. We are well past the 1950s and 1960s when real wages for the vast majority rose substantially every year. So people see that if someone wins someone else loses. The gain public sector workers comes at the expense of private sector workers. Racial preferences are stronger for government jobs. So that strengthens feelings of unfairness.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2011 May 23 09:57 PM  Cultural Wars Racial


Comments
Jeff Maylor said at May 24, 2011 4:08 AM:

Wow this is a healthy sign that Whites are waking up!

Lou Pagnucco said at May 24, 2011 8:14 AM:

And, there are many non-racial preferred categories that cannot be mentioned due to taboo-restrictions.
Many actually favor groups already significantly wealthier than average.

I had the temerity to point out at a lecture by a pseudo-liberal professor, that admission preferences by family income would make more sense, be fairer and create less rancor. Of course, his reaction was hostile, and he has refused to speak to me since.

CFP said at May 24, 2011 9:48 AM:

Afraid that preferences by family income doesn't work in the PC world. Unfortunately - from a PC perspective - poor whites and Asians outperform rich blacks and Hispanics. And believe it or not, there are still plenty of poor whites and Asians. Therefore, preferences based on income would only result in more whites and Asians in our better universities. And who would want such a travesty.

Also, good colleges still need to keep up their SAT and grade averages. From that perspective, it's bad enough that they have to let in average and slightly below average upper-income blacks and Hispanics, but letting poor blacks and Hispanics whose scores are practically non-existent would be a disaster. No, that just wouldn't do.

What a dumb-ass world we live in. You really have to wonder how long the joke can keep going.

Red said at May 24, 2011 12:01 PM:

Actually the reluctance to change preferences to work off of income is mostly a jewish issue. Jews currently get a very large chunk of the white group being admitted into colleges and university. If you switched to income as the deciding factor the number of jews would go way down as jews in general are very successfully financially and Jews are generally pretty happy flinching white slots.

Whites themselves would probably get screwed by newly immigrant Asians who have yet to build up much money but no one cares when whites get screwed over percentage wise. Not that I'm arguing in favor of racial preferences, by merit alone is the only system that works for Americans.

California kid said at May 24, 2011 12:27 PM:

"What a dumb-ass world we live in. You really have to wonder how long the joke can keep going".

It goes on as long as there are enough competent people left to keep the lights on.
That number may in reality be pretty small. Mexico is at least semi-functional.
South Africa functions with 15-20% white population. As long as the host population
doesn't murder their last few functional people, I think things could continue for a while.


vneko said at May 24, 2011 2:55 PM:

Maybe we need a new designation similar to NAM. NJW.

Daran said at May 25, 2011 2:39 AM:

And don't forget that it is culturally acceptable to make jokes about whites (white men can't dance/jump# while making similar jokes about other races #black men are lazy) are met with immediate condemnation. Being the default villain in any Hollywood movie certainly does not help.

ASPIRANT said at May 25, 2011 4:48 AM:

Well I won't be happy until blacks both make up at least 50% of the population and control at least 50% of the wealth. We were a huge part of building (stealing) this nation and we deserve a bigger share.

Engineer-Poet said at May 25, 2011 1:19 PM:

Aspirant, you should hie to the east side of the Atlantic.  With all of the black contributions un-sullied by those icky Europeans since the end of colonialism, it's got to be your idea of paradise.

So long, don't forget to write!

Mthson said at May 26, 2011 3:51 AM:

Lou Pagnucco,

I've had success suggesting to liberals that we 1. remove legacy admissions, which liberals hate and also I hate, and 2. make affirmative action about family income, not ethnicity.

When executed right, liberals get tricked into agreeing with #2 because they agree with #1.

ASPIRANT said at May 26, 2011 7:26 AM:

Engineer-Poet:
It's been gone over many times by people much smarter than you why Africa itself hasn't risen to the level of the European or Asian nations yet. Read Guns, Germs, and Steel. Africa is not as fertile or hospitable a land as Europe. But that's just luck of the draw.

My point is that this land and all its resources and wealth were STOLEN from a group of people who have for all intents and purposes been wiped out. Euro-centric peoples don't deserve even 10% of the spoils, just for looting. We deserve America much more than any white person.

Engineer-Poet said at May 26, 2011 1:03 PM:
It's been gone over many times by people much smarter than you why Africa itself hasn't risen to the level of the European or Asian nations yet.
Who are these people who are so much smarter than me that they can be certain they've eliminated their biases and covered every possible blind spot?
Read Guns, Germs, and Steel.
I've owned it for years.  One of the first things Diamond does in it is declare, a priori, that there's no difference in the raw human potential between New Guineans and himself (and Ashkenazim in general, by implication).  Let me go find that... rats, must still be packed.  And Google Books doesn't cover the preface in the preview.  I'll have to work from memory here.

One of the things you're missing is that Diamond speaks in code.  He quotes Yali asking something like "why did you [Westerners] get all the cargo?"  Not "develop science and technology", but "get all the cargo"... as if it fell from the sky, instead of being created by the painstaking work of men.  This is a profoundly stupid question, and anyone who reads even popular glossy magazines on the issue would know better than to ask it.  Diamond is not dumb enough to miss its significance.  I think he put it there as a warning to others as smart as he:  "This book is devoted to explaining around the issue of human biodiversity.  What's in here is true... but it is by no means the whole truth.  Use it to scapegoat the descendants of former colonial powers and divert attention from the issue we don't want people to look at."

Africa is not as fertile or hospitable a land as Europe.
Is that why the Chinese are trying to establish large new farming operations there?
My point is that this land and all its resources and wealth were STOLEN from a group of people who have for all intents and purposes been wiped out.
Just like the races represented by the skeleton of Kennewick Man and the extant Tierra del Fuegans were in the Americas before today's "native Americans", but were nearly or completely wiped out by the newer groups.
Euro-centric peoples don't deserve even 10% of the spoils, just for looting. We deserve America much more than any white person.
You might be able to play on cultivated guilt with things like that for a little while, but anyone with eyes can see what African peoples have done with American cities and entire African countries like Zimbabwe.  If you actually believe what you say, walk the walk.  Get that one-way plane ticket.  Make your fortune and then buy this country, if you're so great.

If you're whining here, you're just a loser.

Mthson said at May 26, 2011 3:13 PM:

"Euro-centric peoples don't deserve even 10% of the spoils, just for looting. We deserve America much more than any white person."

It seems more accurate to say Latinos deserve Central and South America more than any White/Asian/Jewish person. Latinos desire to come to the US because there are Whites/Asians/Jews here advancing medicine, technology, and everything else that the rest of the world benefits from. Same reason Malaysians desire to go to Singapore, a nation with zero natural resources.

The introduction of Gun, Germs, and Steel explicitly stated that humans vary in cognitive complexity because of their recent divergent evolutionary histories. His personal speculation was that New Guineans are genetically more intelligent than white people, because white people were selected for disease resistance from living in big cities, whereas New Guineans were selected for the incredibly complex tasks of... hunting and gathering / rudimentary farming.

no i don't said at May 27, 2011 11:45 AM:

"It seems more accurate to say Latinos deserve Central and South America more than any White/Asian/Jewish person. Latinos desire to come to the US because there are Whites/Asians/Jews here advancing medicine, technology, and everything else that the rest of the world benefits from. Same reason Malaysians desire to go to Singapore, a nation with zero natural resources."


Isn't it just poetic how some racist idiots get the whole thing backwards?

Isn't it just great how some fools don't know how much the rich northern countries have plundered from the tropical and equatioral regions? Bolivar saw this comming centuries ago.

Some choose to ignore everything about the Indian genocide in North America during the during the 15th., 16th. and 17th centuries.

Mthson said at May 27, 2011 9:50 PM:

No I Don't,

So you're pretending countries like Singapore are rich because they were never colonized (they were), rather than because they're high IQ.

ASPIRANT said at May 30, 2011 12:32 PM:

So you've all made your stance clear. You think we're inferior. You think that, just by existing, we deserve everything that happens to us. So you haven't learned your moral lesson of the past century. Surely you think we'd be better off marched into death camps or forced labor camps just because we haven't "advanced medicine, technology, and everything else that the rest of the world benefits from." Nevermind the fact that for the great majority of us, a med school degree or an engineer's training is as far away as the moon is to a spider.

You take all the resources of the planet then claim it was your divine right, a winning genetic lottery ticket, a manifest, unchangeable destiny.

So, I am through arguing with you people. From here on, I will openly call for the extermination of the white race, culturally and genetically. I will advocate it in all my social, internet, and moral spheres. Payback is a bitch and you will reap it.

ASPIRANT said at May 30, 2011 12:33 PM:

I was very angry there. I don't think that the white race should be exterminated. Just racists like you.

ASPIRANT said at May 30, 2011 12:35 PM:

And groups like the US who take more than their fair share

Check It Out said at May 30, 2011 2:49 PM:

Mthson is thinking in terms of money only.

ASPRANT must surely be a Native American.

Engineer Poet sounds like a racist.

CFP confuses race with money and racism with elitism.

No I don't, who knows! Not easy to know what's inside that mind.

Randall is no dumb, but he needs a little more in-depth.


Mthson said at May 31, 2011 12:37 AM:

Aspirant, my personal background is more than one ethnicity, not White.

I understand you're likely a good person in real life, and we'd enjoy a beer together. People sometimes advocate genocide in internet debates because that's how internet debates are.

My personal position is that next generation technologies are the fastest way to eliminate gaps in the world, and that's one of the reasons why I'm motivated to increase my human capital as much as possible (so I can help toward that goal).

Engineer-Poet said at June 1, 2011 5:12 PM:

The cluelessness of left-wingers is truly epic; they can't read what's right in front of their faces.  Check It Out wrote:

ASPRANT must surely be a Native American.
Whereas above, Aspirant said "I won't be happy until blacks both make up at least 50% of the population and control at least 50% of the wealth. We were a huge part of building (stealing) this nation and we deserve a bigger share."  Yeah, that sounds real native American.

The irony of Aspirant bemoaning the "theft" of North America (from the next-most-recent group to "steal" it, as they were far from the first) and then wanting a bigger share of the loot is such a classic example of black social/moral dysfunction I'm still chuckling over it.  Oh, and outright racism too.

Engineer Poet sounds like a racist.
Whereas the expressly black-supremacist Aspirant is... what?  Oh, it's the leftist definition of "racist"; it isn't about race, it's about "power relationships" and not actual race-based treatment, so only those with the power can be racist (except when non-Europeans run the show like Detroit or China; then it's not racist no matter how much race-based discrimination goes on).

It's really funny watching left-wingers and laughing at their stupidities.  If conservative Europeans weren't expected to do all the productive work around here too, we could spend all day at it.

Cornelius Troost said at June 5, 2011 8:46 AM:

Aspirant overreacts to the superior knowledge of Engineer Poet. Engineer Poet is right about Jared Diamond's misleading book on human biodeversity. The ecology of Africa, regardless of its regional difficulties, was enough to shepard the birth of a primate called Homo sapiens. We all derive from East Africa and peopled the globe only after leaving Africa about 50,000 years ago. Read my book called "Apes or Angels?: Darwin, Dover, Human Nature, and Race." Human genetic differences appeared later on that resulted in unique adaptations to difficult environments. Human evolution itself accelerated once agriculture became widespread, but various human groups were really never equal genetically.

Darwin himself agonized over the future on Man, so to speak. He could foresee great conflicts if slavery persisted as it did in Brazil. The races of Man were simply very different and the migration and mixing would create vast difficulties for societies trying to bridge "gaps." The power of liberalism to affect politics now grinds America into social turmoil as the dominant whites are publically viewed as inferior to images of blacks that are contradicted by daily crime reports. Dysfunction among blacks is worse than ever despite increased black wealth. The power elite is still white because they are genetically superior in ways that build efficient societies. Still, the liberal myth of equality is a remaing bitter pill that must be liquidated if our country is ever to be just and fair again. Unequal outcomes was once a universal belief and it was RIGHT. Today we must dismember an imbecile myth and treat all races fairly even if basketball teams are 100% black and calculus classes are 100% white. Biology is indifferent to our dreams.

Mthson said at June 5, 2011 12:17 PM:

On the other hand, there are brilliant people of all ethnic heritages here in Silicon Valley. For example: a top Google Executive and a prominent venture capitalist.

I think it is valuable to point out that we're talking about averages. Silicon Valley is like a self-selecting mini-utopia... nobody comes here unless they're bright and have the right ideology (pro progress & technology).


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