2010 December 30 Thursday
Seeing Women As They Really Are
Notorious Pick-Up Artist Roissy, despised by many feminists, reacts to a commenter who says reading Roissy has made him less misogynistic.
Would that the army of tards who occasionally spill into this exclusive estate reflect on the fact that the underlying message is in reality a romanticist hymn to the unique and abiding attributes of women, warts and all, and to the good that can come from seeing women as they really are instead of as what we wish they were, there would be more love in the world.
That's not just true about women as sexual beings. It is true of humans in general. The truth about humans can seem ugly to people raised on myths. But the myths set people up for heartache and disappointment. If you live in fantasies then reality keeps intruding in jarring ways guaranteed to anger or depress. Reality becomes easier to deal with if you give up fantasies about it.
Doesn't the fact that most people do live in a fantasy world imply that, at least in the past, living in a fantasy world must have been a pretty sucessful adaption?
Women have fantasies about men to and some of them are that men are free to do what men were free to do back in the pre-civil environment (EEA). If they don't then women perceive them as betas. Unfortunately, women's liberation is simply freeing women to react the way they could in the pre-civil environment.
Roissy's entire game boils down tricks to short-circuit women's short-circuited perception. Imagine a woman who perceives the world to be filled with sneaky betas -- desperately seeking the Alpha of State to sire her children lest her offspring be left behind in the evolutionary arms race. Such a desperate woman will "freely choose" to bed down with just about anything remotely resembling an alpha.
"The archetype of woman is the whore" - Aleister Crowley 1926.
I can't agree with this at all. I can't see at all how understanding how women work could make you love them more. Being able to clearly see that big black pit known as woman's soul will bring despair, not joy.
You say that this despair is because of some fantasies being shattered, but I must disagree. The despair has more to do with the realization that women will never be capable of the love an intelligent fully-souled man needs. "Soul" as a metaphor of course. Aristotle was correct in pointing out that some people are born with the souls of free-men and some born with the souls of slaves. Go live around the proles and the SWPL's and tell me their soul is the same as yours.
Surely the beastliness of the proles or the delusions of the SWPL's is caused by their failed biologies and not prone to correction by logically debating them. There are plenty of other examples of those who have seen the natural differences in the temperament of the races of man, some civilized and some barbaric. I believe Jews have a similar concept that outsiders have smaller souls than they do. We can also see Socrates in "The Symposium" who goes home alone because, after all, what soul could satisfy the needs of a Socrates?
Such is also the truth of women. It's not a fantasy to wish you could find someone compatible, rather it is human nature for such a desire. But the beastly soul of the modern woman is such that the desires of the fully-souled man cannot be satisfied, like Socrates he goes home alone. Having sex or a relationship with a modern woman would be more akin to bestiality or owning a pet than having an actual human relationship. This is not a despair born of fantasies shattered, but rather of needs unmet.
"Doesn't the fact that most people do live in a fantasy world imply that, at least in the past, living in a fantasy world must have been a pretty sucessful adaption?"
Only if you think that people are freely choosing to live in a fantasy world, which is impossible.
> Being able to clearly see that big black pit known as woman's soul will bring despair, not joy. You say that this despair is because of some fantasies being shattered, but I must disagree. The despair has more to do with the realization that women will never be capable of the love an intelligent fully-souled man needs.
Chastising men for only liking pretty girls is dumb... to castigate women for harboring certain robotic drives of their own is equally weak. Some chicks are really geistig over and above their animal aspects... others less so... same as the case with the males. The babes of the world may average a hair less geistig than men - nothing can be done about it, except be willing to sacrifice on the ratiocinative side (seeing as how you're a non-aspie). Unless you're hoping to breed a new philosopher or something, it's FAR better that your girl deal in taste and poesy stemming from intuition - as potently as possible - so pass by the girl with a balanced Geist and get your hands on the one with the most poetic pneuma, even if she has less ratiocination. She should read poems and love music, if not necessarily paint or write herself. You know, it doesn't matter whether she can un-puzzle the world on a systematic level on your own; you can explain it to her yourself sometime when you're caught in a traffic jam...
Which of course relates to your analysis of proles and swips. Of course you're right that the proles can't change under present circumstances, unless you would really find a diamond in the rough. The swips at least have taste, to varying degrees - which cannot be imparted. As for their screwed-up ideas, well, you know, they never used to hold them... so I'm not sure why would you think they're deficient on any permanent basis... they were basically fine, before bad leadership mal-abused their minds... you should find it easy enough to uninstall their worldviews case by case, given several hours together, as long as you know almost everything...
I suppose you are somewhat like me, a very large amount of the girls you would like are christian, passionately. Personally I am considerably nearer to belief, in a weak sense of the world... christian belief, though, hmmmm...
" The despair has more to do with the realization that women will never be capable of the love an intelligent fully-souled man needs."
I too have had this feeling many times. I've lost count of the number of times I have started to develop a real feeling of connection with a girl only to have her start the old flaking/disrespecting game the moment I did something nice for her or otherwise showed that I valued her. I will say this though: My wife was never like that. She has never played any of the typical female games with me. She's never flaked on a date or otherwise shit-tested me. And we've been together for many years. She is also cute.
"Chastising men for only liking pretty girls is dumb... to castigate women for harboring certain robotic drives of their own is equally weak"
That's probably true but it's still rather depressing.
"But the beastly soul of the modern woman is such that the desires of the fully-souled man cannot be satisfied, like Socrates he goes home alone."
Even if he did find a girl who satisfied him, he would very likely start losing sexual interest in her once she reached a certain age. If he then took up with a younger girl, the first girl would be understandably upset. She might even conclude that men have beastly souls.
I think Sabril nails it, but I think this discussion also ties into the one about women's suffrage increasing the size of the welfare state.
On average men and women are about equally selfish, if in different ways. But whereas an endless array of government programs provides women with a substitute for a stable provider, I have yet to see any government program, other than the White House intern program, promise to provide men with an endless supply of nubile young women.
"Reality becomes easier to deal with if you give up fantasies about it."
i dunno. if you look too long into the abyss....