2010 July 08 Thursday
Public And Private Positions On Immigration

Michael McGough of the LA Times (or should I save "of what's left of the LA Times after so many white newspaper readers moved out of SoCal) says both sides of the immigration debate have official positions which are at odds with their private beliefs.

What (some) mainstream supporters of comprehensive immigration reform say: "We believe that illegal immigrants should pay a penalty and go to the back of the line of citizenship seekers." What they mean: "We don't really want to punish 'undocumented citizens' (as one activist put it in a Freudian slip), but we have to throw the yahoos a bone to in order to enact what we won't call amnesty."

I do not see a moral equivalency here. The amnesty crowd lie like mad and have been doing so for decades. From their dominant positions in the press, academia, and think tanks they vilify and marginalize immigration restrictionists. While the restrictionists debate with facts and logic the open borders amnesty crowd debates with mythology and character assassination.

On the other side is the mainstream anti-illegal-immigration mantra.  What they say: "I have nothing against legal immigrants. America is a melting pot and rightly so." What they mean: "Why do I have to choose 'English' when I call my bank or make a deposit at the ATM? What has happened to my country?"

Don't expect people (or politicians) to fess up to these covert positions. But don't discount them.

Speaking for myself: There's not much difference between my public and private thoughts. I think immigration into the United States ought to be stopped entirely (except for hot model babes good looking enough to pull in at least a half mill a year). All illegal aliens should be deported. Muslim citizens ought to be paid to leave. Muslim non-citizens with permanent residency should have their residency rescinded. Babies of illegal aliens should not be entitled to citizenship. Babies born here to tourists should not be entitled to citizenship.

As for having to choose English at the ATM: I absolutely hate this. Though it is not the major reason I want to end immigration. I see immigration as lowering quality of life by many measures (quality of schools, population density, pollution, taxes, corruption in government, etc). I think the US government should serve its existing citizens first and foremost.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2010 July 08 07:45 PM  Immigration Politics

Mthson said at July 8, 2010 8:32 PM:

The US has a long history of brain-draining the rest of the world. Turn that faucet up. Make it easier for research labs and companies like Google to bring in the cream of the crop from Asia, India, and Europe.

We're glad Sergey Brin was in the US instead of Russia when he co-founded Google.

dchamil said at July 9, 2010 6:42 AM:

Pressing one for English carries with it the hint that Spanish is not numero uno, doesn't it? Look for a new policy: On even-numbered days, press one for English. On odd-numbered days, pressing one will get you Espanol!

Rohan Swee said at July 9, 2010 9:34 AM:

Mthson: The US has a long history of brain-draining the rest of the world. Turn that faucet up. Make it easier for research labs and companies like Google to bring in the cream of the crop from Asia, India, and Europe.

So how's that "turning up the faucet" been working out for us in terms of innovation, solid scientific and technical pre-eminence, and national interest?

We're glad Sergey Brin was in the US instead of Russia when he co-founded Google.

We don't need to destroy incentives for talented natives in order to get truly exceptional foreigners to emigrate. It's beyond stupid to go trolling the planet for the merely "good and bright" while systematically disincentivizing the pursuit of technical careers for exceptional natives.

But I'd agree that your way (the current model) would be best if I felt the interests of multinationals and the academic racket trumped any concept of "national interest". (But now that I think about it, I don't think there's gonna be any "nation" with interests to consider in a few decades time, so hey, may as well turn that faucet to 11!)

no anon o anónimos said at July 9, 2010 10:09 AM:

La Administración Obama es culpable de negligencia grave al no hacer cumplir las leyes federales de inmigración con el fin de obtener beneficios políticos. Hay que deportar a los inmigrantes ilegales, sin amnistía de ningún tipo!

no i don't said at July 11, 2010 2:40 PM:

no anon o anónimos,

Tranquilo, no te sulfures. ¿Por qué hasta ahora?

Por décadas el gobierno norteamericano ha dejado entrar y permitido trabajar a ilegales durante las temporadas importantes en el campo. Los ilegales también pagan impuestos y no tienen derechos. Los Estados Unidos han tenido productos del campo baratos porque los salarios de los ilegales también son ilegales. (Menos del mínimo). Lo que tú escribes se llama DOBLE MORAL, porque Estados Unidos ha sido poderoso en gran parte por los ilegales que trabajan duro.

Probablemente sea la inmigración sea una de las pocas fuerzas que sigue sosteniendo la frágil economía de E.E.U.U.

Si obama es culpable de no hacer cumplir las leyes federales de inmigración, también lo son cuando menos, los últimos 10 presidentes.

no i don't said at July 11, 2010 2:54 PM:

no anon o anónimos,

Easy man, chill. Why untill now?

For decades the American government has let illegals enter and work during the key seasons. Illegals also pay taxes while they have no rights. The U.S. has had affordable produce because the salaries they pay illegals are also illegal. -Less than minimum-

What you type is called DOUBLE MORALS, because the U.S. has been powerfor -in good part- because of the hard-working immigrants.

It might just be immigration one of the few forces that keeps holding the fragil economy.

If Obama is guilty of not enforcin the federal immigration laws, so have been at least the last 10 presidents.

By the way, this is an English language forum, so respect that, will ya???

(The above is the translation to my Spanish message repply to no anon o anónimos, out of respect to all the readers)

ExtraMedium said at July 15, 2010 7:57 AM:

The H1-B Visa explicitly mentions fashion models. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001101----000-.html go to section "H."

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