2009 November 07 Saturday
Lessons To Learn From Fort Hood Shooting?

A CNN article title states: Fort Hood suspect's religion was an issue, family says. Who would have expected that? An article in the Christian Science Monitor asks did we miss any warning signs? I'm afraid that the nation is beyond help in this matter.

Washington - As Army officials pick up the pieces after the tragedy that unfolded Thursday, when Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly walked into a soldier readiness center at Fort Hood, Texas and shot 13 people and injured as many as 30 more, the biggest question they may be asking is: Did we miss the warning signs?

What warning signs? Where You see any warning signs?

His anger was noted by a classmate, who said Hasan ''viewed the war against terror'' as a ''war against Islam.''


Finnell described Hasan as a ''vociferous opponent'' of the terror war. Finnell said Hasan told classmates he was ''a Muslim first and an American second.''

We have religious freedom in America, the freedom to put one's religion ahead of one's country. So this can't be a warning sign. This is just someone expressing a totally legitimate opinion according to our multicultural leaders. Diversity is strength. War is peace.

Born to Palestinian immigrants, Hasan's medical education was paid by the US government. The US military didn't want to let him leave the military even though he saw the US military as waging a war against Islam. Can we learn any lessons here?

His aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had endured name-calling and harassment about his Muslim faith for years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and had sought for several years to be discharged from the military.

"I know what that is like; I have experienced it myself while working as a bank executive," she said. "Some people can take it, and some cannot. He had listened to all of that, and he wanted out of the military and they would not let him leave even after he offered to repay" for his medical training.

In a strong assertion of continued faith Barack Obama says diversity is strength.

"They are Americans of every race, faith and station. They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers," Obama said in his radio and Internet address, airing the weekend before Veterans Day.

"They are descendants of immigrants and immigrants themselves. They reflect the diversity that makes this America. But what they share is a patriotism like no other."

Neil Steinberg of the Chicago Sun Times says we should not change our views of Muslims as a group based on behavior of individual Muslims.

"We should seal the borders!" said a friend of mine, someone I generally respect when he isn't saying stuff like that.

"Tell me," I challenged him "how the actions of this Muslim American indicts all Muslim Americans?"

He sputtered, and I went on.

"If a lady murders her kids and says that Jesus told her to do it, does that indict all Christians? All ladies?"

What about group average differences in behavior and beliefs?

A useful mental exercise for Mr. Steinberg: Imagine that a group became the majority of the US population. What would that group do to the rest of us? The idea that religious beliefs are totally a private matter is absurd. As I've pointed out previously, what Muslims believe would translate into bad news for the rest of us if they became a majority. They do not even have to become a majority in order for their beliefs to become a big problem for the rest of us. The idea that religions are all compatible with our values is absurd.

A 2004 poll of Muslims in Britain shows substantial support for very unBritish Sharia law courts. Doesn't sound personal to me.

A special Guardian/ICM poll based on a survey of 500 British Muslims found that a clear majority want Islamic law introduced into this country in civil cases relating to their own community. Some 61% wanted Islamic courts - operating on sharia principles - "so long as the penalties did not contravene British law".

Many civil cases in this country deal with family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritance.

A 2007 poll of Muslims in Britain found stronger support for Sharia law among the young.

In the survey of 1,003 Muslims by the polling company Populus through internet and telephone questionnaires, nearly 60% said they would prefer to live under British law, while 37% of 16 to 24-year-olds said they would prefer sharia law, against 17% of those over 55. Eighty-six per cent said their religion was the most important thing in their lives.

Nearly a third of 16 to 24-year-olds believed that those converting to another religion should be executed, while less than a fifth of those over 55 believed the same.

A 2006 poll found that a fifth of Muslims in Britain sympathized with the Muslims who carried out bombing attacks in Britain on July 7, 2006.

Forty per cent of the British Muslims surveyed said they backed introducing sharia in parts of Britain, while 41 per cent opposed it. Twenty per cent felt sympathy with the July 7 bombers' motives, and 75 per cent did not. One per cent felt the attacks were "right".

We should not let people into our countries who will resent us and seek to impose a repressive religion on us.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2009 November 07 08:04 AM  Immigration Culture Clash

Steve Johnson said at November 7, 2009 10:52 AM:

What lesson is to be learned? Let's check the musings of Megan McArdle at the Atlantic:

"There is absolutely no political lesson to be learned from this. Gun control would not have stopped a commissioned officer from obtaining guns. Barack Obama had no power to stop this. Infectious PTSD is a lousy theory. And nations certainly do not--and should not--shape their foreign policy around the possibility that a random psychopath will start shooting up a crowd. Evil people do evil things. That's all."

Hear that, there is no lesson to be learned. Evil people do evil things and if you figure out a way to identify people who are more likely to be evil, well then, you're evil.

Oh, and the only possible learnable lessons are as follows:

1) Gun control is needed
2) It's the president's fault
3) Invade the world should be dropped
4) Infectious PTSD should be taken more seriously

See that? There's no room for this bigoted nonsense of picking citizens in way that leads to a society with fewer mass murderers. That's not even on the list of lessons that shouldn't be learned.

Randall Parker said at November 7, 2009 2:08 PM:


Maybe at some point I fell asleep and woke up in bizarro parallel universe world where the rules of logic operate differently?

Maybe a virus is spreading thru the population infecting brains to prevent some part of the mind from learning new lessons about life?

Random psychopath? Random? Psychopath? I think both words are incorrect.

rob said at November 7, 2009 3:21 PM:

Learning? Where have you been, Randall? Learning is racist.

not anon or anonymous said at November 7, 2009 4:06 PM:

I don't know exactly what happens when a society refuses to recognize its enemies, but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Rob said at November 7, 2009 4:52 PM:

I think the U.S. would be a lot more enjoyable place for me if Sharia Law were implemented. I much prefer it over Liberalism.

Red said at November 7, 2009 6:45 PM:

At least Sharia Law is more honest than Liberalism.

Engineer-Poet said at November 9, 2009 4:58 AM:

It is time to amend the Constitution to reverse the SCOTUS decision allowing multiple citizenship.

In particular, should someone give "allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty" which lays claim to civil authority, including but not limited to Islamic sharia law, that person should be considered to have renounced their US citizenship and become a deportable alien.

MaryJ said at November 17, 2009 7:28 AM:

I don't know exactly what happens when a society refuses to recognize its enemies, but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
Read the book "Cry Wolf" by Paul Lake. It should be required reading in our public school system.

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