2009 October 04 Sunday
Muslim Immigrant Terrorists In America

A couple of recent arrests of foreign terrorists in America highlight the fact that we had to let these people in for them to be a threat to us in the first place.

Najibullah Zazi, 24, appeared in federal court last week. He pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring with others to detonate explosives in the United States.

Prosecutors allege that on August 28, 2008, Zazi and others flew to Peshawar, Pakistan, a city with a strong Taliban and al Qaeda presence.

Those currently under surveillance in the United States include members of Zazi's travel group, according to one source familiar with the investigation.

So now the FBI is watching his fellow Muslim friends who are also living in the United States. When they went to Pakistan if they had not been allowed to return back to the US then we wouldn't have to deal with the threat they pose within US borders.

I say just keep the Muslims out. We can't afford to fight them over in their own countries. Consider that Muslim warriors in Afghanistan get all of $106 million from outside of Afghanistan. To fight that $106 million jihad army the United States spends a couple orders of magnitude more money and that money is not enough to get control of Afghanistan - let alone of the area in Pakistan where Zazi received training. The war in Afghanistan will not prevent people like Zazi from trying to attack within the United States.

Outward signs of assimilation can be very misleading.

But to Hall and his friends, he is "Omar" Zazi, their friendly van driver during a three-day midsummer trip to Denver to see their favorite band, Phish.

The driver was a knowledgeable sports fan, fluent in American slang, and seemed comfortable with these guys his own age.

Hundreds of members of Zazi's clan live in the United States. I wonder how many of them are married to their cousins.

The family, from a large tribal clan with hundreds of relatives living in the U.S., left Afghanistan to live across the border in Pakistan when Zazi was 7.

Zazi was a legal immigrant. Meanwhile a Jordanian teenager who overstayed his visa was thinking hostile thoughts (which the FBI says he tried to act on to blow up a Dallas building) about America while living in the town of Italy Texas.

Friends of the young Jordanian, Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, painted a complex portrait of him completely at odds with the zealous terrorist that F.B.I. agents said had spouted hateful messages about the United States on the Internet and was lured last week into a plot to blow up the Fountain Place tower in downtown Dallas.

Mr. Smadi was an extremely outgoing 19-year-old, friends in this tiny town said, who smoked marijuana and drank beer with his peers in the complex of domed cottages where he lived. They said he did endless favors for his friends, held barbecues and baby-sat for his neighbor’s children.

He married a local girl. They separated after 3 months. He overstayed a 6 month visa. If he had never been granted a visa then FBI agents wouldn't need to have hunted him down based on his hostile chat group messages. Why let teenage Jordanians come to the United States?

He says he wanted freedom. In the mythology of the Open Borders crowd everyone who comes to America wants freedom. But freedom for what? Freedom to blow up skyscrapers? Think of it as freedom for post-modern artistic expression.

“He said he came here because it was really strict out there in Jordan,” Ms. Deloach, 23, recalled. “He wanted freedom.”

Meanwhile he was on extremist web sites talking about attacking Americans in their homes. A very small number of people committed to terrorism can cause a big change in how we live and in what powers are given to federal law enforcement agencies. Is Muslim immigration really a price worth paying?

5 terrorist probes in 5 states have just popped up into public view.

In the past week, U.S. officials have announced charges in five terrorism probes in five states. It is a confluence of cases unlike anything the country has seen since the September 11, 2001, attacks.

I remember the kind of society we used to have. We could walk into an airport and walk right up to the gate where an airplane's passengers walked out. It was a far more casual society than we have today. It is a society worth trying to bring back again.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2009 October 04 10:21 PM  Immigration Terrorism

averros said at October 4, 2009 10:55 PM:

And you know that these people are terrorists - how?

Yep, because you are told so by the people who have a pretty strong record of lying, torture, and imprisoning innocents (while being so incompetent that they miss the real terrorists even when the signs are painfully obvious - like these Muslim flight school students conspiciously uniterested in learning how to land). The infamous unnamed "US officials".

The naivete of the blind trust to whatever authoritahs say is astonishing. A little critical thinking would do a lot of good.

BTW, I'd like to hear about a reasonable test for telling Muslim from a non-Muslim. In order to keep 'em out, of course.

gcochran said at October 4, 2009 11:12 PM:

"a couple orders of magnitude more money"

Three orders of magnitude.

Randall Parker said at October 4, 2009 11:49 PM:


I can't find good data on money spent specifically on Afghanistan. The Bush Administration started the practice of combining Iraq and Afghanistan costs and Obama has continued with the practice. Also, the immediate costs of the war are a fraction of total much larger costs (e.g. caring for brain-damaged soldiers). You are probably right on the 3 orders of magnitude, especially once the long term costs are considered.


I'm sure you are right. As a libertarian your ideology provides you with a guiding light that pierces thru all falsehoods. I envy that level of clarity. But I just can't find that much faith within me. Doubting Thomas that I am.

dchamil said at October 5, 2009 8:20 AM:

It's all too true that we should keep the Muslims out of this country. No tourists, immigrants, or students.
A visa applicant from a Muslim country is likely to be Muslim. And if we keep out a few Syrian Christians by mistake, I won't be upset. What some call prejudice, others call the ability to learn from experience. If we need some more help in distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims, we could try talking to the Islraeli security people working for El Al.

Mark said at October 5, 2009 11:25 AM:

Fact is, we have decided to make a choice - or rather NOT make a choice - about how to deal with the terrorist threat. On September 11, 2001, 19 FOREIGN NATIONALS living in the United States murdered 3,000 Americans and put the financial district of New York out of operation for nearly a week. The direct, immediate financial cost of this act came to over $50 billion. The indirect costs, which included two wars and the creation of an entirely new government department cost us ????? - hundreds of billions, or even a trillion.

Given: neither they, nor the 7/7 tube bombers, not the 3/11 Madrid bombers, nor any of the other terrorists captured since, could have done a damn thing to us if we had not welcomed them into our countries.

In response to September 11, we were NOT presented a choice by our politicians. We were told that war abroad and a police state at home were the only options we had. But they were not, of course, the only options. There was one other, far cheaper, less intrusive, and less deadly option - the chloroforming of the MultiCult. In response to the clear hatred of one culture, Islam, for our own - a culture, no less, that does not andwould not welcome us into their countries - the MultiCult has not been silenced but, in fact, strengthened. Bush celebrated Ramadan in the White House for the first time in American history. In the mere 8 years since 9/11, the Muslim population of Great Britain has increased by over 50%.

We have chosen a police state over the act of hurting people's feelings. The fact that neither the Democrats nor even the Republicans - not even ONE Republican - presented us with an alternative reveals how strongly the MultiCult has us in its death grip.

kurt9 said at October 5, 2009 11:50 AM:

Is this more of "nature's way of saying that Muslim immigration is bad".

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