2009 April 06 Monday
Stand Firm For State-Sanctioned Killing Of Apostates
Razib published a message from the Muslim chaplain at Harvard, Taha Abdul-Basser, who basically seems to be arguing for only Muslim governments to kill apostates and not vigilantes. That's the kind of enlightened modern state-supporting reasoning I expect to hear coming out of Harvard.
There are a few places on the Net where one can find informed discussions of this issue (Search ["Abdul Hakim Murad"|Faraz Rabbani" AND "apostasy"]) . The preponderant position in all of the 4 sunni madhahib (and apparently others of the remaining eight according to one contemporary `alim) is that the verdict is capital punishment.
Of concern for us is that this can only occur in the_domain and under supervision of Muslim governmental authority and can not be performed by non-state, private actors._
Imagine the United States didn't let Muslims into the country. Then we wouldn't have a Muslim chaplain at Harvard who thinks Muslim governments should possess a monopoly of force for killing apostates.
Beware hegemonic human rights discourse. Do not feel uncomfortable in the face of it. Stand firm for 7th century desert tribe morality.
I would finally note that there is great wisdom (hikma) associated with the established and preserved position (capital punishment) and so, even if it makes some uncomfortable in the face of the hegemonic modern human rights discourse, one should not dismiss it out of hand. The formal consideration of excuses for the accused and the absence of Muslim governmental authority in our case here in the North/West is for dealing with the issue practically.
Taha Abdul-Basser is a graduate of Harvard, so that must be how he learned phrases like “hegemonic modern human rights discourse.”
That is so cool. Abdul-Basser goes to Harvard and learns out to use Leftist speak in the service of an argument for killing those who fall away from Islam. That shows the advantage of international student bodies in American universities.
Abdul-Basser goes to Harvard and learns out to use Leftist speak in the service of an argument for killing those who fall away from Islam. That shows the advantage of international student bodies in American universities.
FWIW, he's a black muslim who was born in new york. so he's american.
What is needed is for the cognitive elite to have zero tolerance for what are essentially working class, or outright low class values, whether from working-class whites or from non-whites. CogElites usually have no problem denouncing this sort of thing if it is from white, and especially Anglo-Celtic Americans.
The cognitive elite has to realize that the rules that the working class lives by are extremely dangerous when applied to politics, or even to the personal lives of the elites themselves. Machiavelli realized this in the sixteenth century--yet unfortunately even those I refer to as cognitive elites are slow learners.
With extreme cases like radical Islam, the rotten, ultra old-fashioned morality must be denounced in no uncertain terms.
It still confounds me that the elites can so clearly see the rottenness of the values and way of life of the white working class, yet kiss the nonwhite working class's rear end.
---...he's a black muslim who was born in new york. so he's american---
No, he isn't.
Yes he is, which explains why he would say something so inflammatory. Its odd because his background is studying with sufis in Yemen but he seems to be more to the extreme.
I think that the majority of muslims in the US are black Americans.
A few years back Harvard took a 15 million dollar donation from Saudi Arabia in part to fund studies of Islam. Supposedly this had no strings attached (right!). Harvard doesn't really need the money but I guess since concern for human rights is a sign of western imperialism, they were only doing the culturally sensitive thing by taking it.
I myself was being culturally hegemonic towards Islamic cultures a few days ago-