2008 July 28 Monday
Obama Favors Racial Quotas
Barack Obama has come out against state ballot measures that seek to abolish racial quotas (which have the politically correct name of "affirmative action").
Connerly, who led the successful
1996 campaign for Proposition 209, authored by Tom Wood
Glynn Custred, and a similarly victorious initiative
in 2000 in Washington, will likely have anti-racial
preference initiatives on the ballot in three states
this November: Colorado, Nebraska, and John McCain's own
Obama opposes Connerly’s initiatives. This year, Obama's spokeswoman explained:
"Sen. Obama believes in a country in which opportunity
is available to all Americans, regardless of their race,
gender or economic status. That’s why he opposes these
ballot initiatives, which would roll back opportunity for millions of Americans and
cripple efforts to break down historic barriers to the
progress of qualified women and minorities."
Somehow, "regardless of their
race" winds up meaning, in Obama-speak,
"regardful of their race."
whether his daughters should benefit from affirmative
action, Obama routinely makes a head fake in the
direction of supporting adding class-based preferences
to the mix.
But he's not serious about this.
Steve Sailer points out that John McCain could put some distance between himself and Obama and win support by coming out in favor of these ballot measures. McCain told journalists he at least is open to considering these measures once he knows more of their details. Obama responded by saying that any effort to support these measures would be "divisive". He's using "divisive" in a pejorative sense. What does this tell us about Obama? Well, let us consider the dictionary definition of divisive.
Divisive \Di*vi"sive\, a. [Cf. F. divisif.]
1. Indicating division or distribution. --Mede.
2. Creating, or tending to create, division, separation, or difference.
It [culture] is after all a dainty and divisive
quality, and can not reach to the depths of humanity.
--J. C. Shairp.
-- Di*vi"sive*ly, adv. -- Di*vi"sive*ness, n.
Now wait a minute. How can we have the diversity that Obama celebrates without having differences? Also, what is wrong with differences in opinion where people differ from Obama? Is Obama saying that disagreements are bad? He seems to be. He's basically arguing that people who disagree with him and his supporters should change their views to mirror his rather than he and his supporters changing to agree with their opponents.
In a nutshell: Obama is arguing that he holds the morally superior position and that those who dissent from it are creating an undesirable state of affairs. When Obama says he is a "uniter" he is really saying all people should agree with him. Er, isn't that unAmerican?
>Er, isn't that unAmerican?
Oh, c'mon, you should know better from Bush II. If you don't agree with his policies, you are not a patriot.
Divisive as in dividing his vote counts?
Don't expect McCain to do much about embracing those initiatives as it would be seen as racist.
I rather have more "labor market political activities" for blacks instead of AA.
the natural bridge of hybrid vigor is actually a weak racial activist whose start was in arguing voting rights cases, the racial gerrymandering system.
Since most whites who support Obama would expect him to be pro-AA, and most white females (and their pressure groups who already vote Democrat) support AA; this will only hit Obama on the margin with working class white male swing voters (maybe with some middle class whites in suburbs but less so).
Most Republicans since Reagan have been against AA in some way...George W says he is against "quotas" but that is about. McCain is desperate and since he knows he won't get much of the Hispanic vote in key swing states he might go all the way and say he is against all AA and supports the referendums arguing "states rights".
I think Obama's camp is good at spin and will change the subject real soon and the media won't bite at this issue much, but it will come up during the debates I'm sure.
In a bad economy this will touch a nerve with some blue collar types in the Midwest Rust Belt as they think they would not have been laid off at Ford and be working as a boxer at Walmart on the grave yard shift if it was not for AA (LOL).
Personally I'm against any real or de facto quotas and always have been but AA is more complex than that (you would never know that listening to paleoconservatives though) and since most whites don't think it is a major issue in this election outside the people who won't vote for Obama anyway, and most black, Hispanic, and even Asian (usually not South Asian but East Asian) pressure groups support AA Obama will likely just maintain the status quo.
As for the white guy at Walmart...Kanye West has an ode for you: "I've been workin' this graveshift, and I ain't made sh@t,
I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky...If my manager insults me again, I will be a-ssaul-ting him,
After I f@ck the manager up, then I'm gonna shorten the register up"..."Space Ship", by Kanye West...
:-) And before one you racist morons say I can't understand...let me remind you that I have white relatives (by marriage) in rural Ohio working the grave yard shift at a crappy factory job praying not to be laid off before Christmas, along with my black relatives (oh and they love Kanye West...)...welcome to 2008.
Are you suggesting that racist blacks cannot have white relatives by marriage?
Can we not talk in around each other like retired women trying to offend each other in a passive aggressive way. Its corny and transparent.
Where is the racism Bobby? Do you think you are seeing your mirror image?
White relatives by marriage? I thought you are married to a Japanese woman.
AA is more "complex": How so?
Kanye West: That's gangster rap. Don't think it was written for white guys working at Wal-Mart.
I am married to a Japanese woman. My mother's brother and sister (only 2 of 12 kids) are married to white folks. I have several half white cousins and since it is a small town we are known to eat at each others houses, etc. On my dad's side, one of his brothers was married to a white woman, now he is married to a Cuban in Miami. So he has 2 half white kids and one half...oh hell I don't know...its complicated with the Cuban. haha Unlike Bobby I don't hate anyone...well maybe unrepentive child molesters. He just wants to believe I hate him to justify his one "black and white" tunnel vision world view and his own racism. Easy to hate someone you believe hates you. I won't give him that satisfaction of justifying his stereotypes...I feel sorry for him really.
Anywya...Randall...sigh...you need to get out more. Education time. Now I'm guessing you are considerably older than me. I'm almost "uncool" being born in the tail end of Gen. X...still...
Kanye is not Gangster Rap. LOL
50 Cent is "gangster". Real Gangster, ex-gang leader and drug dealer...and convicted felon. Kanye wouldn't know what to do in the ghetto. His first album was called "College Drop Out" his mother was a English Literature Professor and Department Chair and he grew up in a upper middle class suburb.
He has songs like "Sierra Leone Diamonds" and "All Falls Down" about hyper-consumerism. He also has songs like "Jesus Walks" about the fact he is Christian or tries to be and more people doing bad things need to seek God and pray over things even if that is all they do in the way of religion. He is leftist and all but definately not gangster. In fact "gangsters" criticize him, Common, and Talib Kweili for being punks. Kanye also routinely works with white singers like Chris Martin of Cold Play (song: Homecoming) and Adam Levine of Maroon 5...do you think a gangster rapper would be caught dead with those type of people on their album? 50 Cent would lose his ghetto card quick. Needless to say 50 has called Kanye a "white boy's rapper", he "raps for college kids..." etc.
Since hiphop is purchased by a majority white audience who tend to be suburban (not rural) I would suspect there are a lot of white kids who work at Wall Mart who listen to him. LOL When I was in high school in the early 1990's rap had just made it to the suburbs then...now with my little sister (who lives in a predominately white suburb it is common and mainstream), Kanye is Top 40 stuff. Don't believe me though check the charts yourself. Kanya ain't Sesame Street, but he does not praise violence, drug dealing, gang banging, etc.
'AA is more "complex": How so?"
In that all AA does not have to do with "seats in universities" or regulations which cause corporations to be proactive and create various quotas targets for various departments. That is what people tend to focus on but it is far more complicated than that, there are other programs that fall under AA that have nothing to do with this. AA can also include programs to target minority areas with special reading programs, it can also force bids on contracts where they didn't have to before, opening up new opportunities.
Even the "quotas" inside companies are complex. I've mentioned before that my cousin in Atlanta is an HR Director at a Fortune 500; I've spoke to her about this specifically because I was curious. This all varies by company in how it is administered though...read here:
The post at @
June 22, 2008 at 06:45 PM
Look at this post half way down where I start to talk about AA...those are my general views...
In the end, as I said, I don't support quotas or de facto ones, but I do support some of the other stuff I named initially. Also like I said, I don't think this will have a big effect on the Obama's chances. Do you?
I would be more outraged by the type of "affirmative action" in the link below, because over the history of the U.S. more white boys per year get put out of a spot by some lazy non-hardworking one this way than by a black or Hispanic...when you talk about raw numbers it becomes obvious, because only about 20% of blacks are college educated at a bachelor level, so most blacks aren't ever in a position to even take advantage of university AA...even more true for Hispanics. Then again I guess George Bush types don't bother you...he defintely shut a white kid out of Harvard Business School and Princeton. America is not and has never been a meritocracy and keeping that in mind I see a lot of selective outrage...and it is not about moving as close to meritocracy as we can get...naw...that's not the motivation. That's my motivation for wanting to end most AA, but not most of the people who read this site... not even close. That is what bothers me.
If you don't hate anyone, why do you keep suggesting I should fear you? Why would I fear you or anyone else?
Is English your mother tongue Bob? I never said you should fear me, although it is obvious you fear people who you tend to group me with.
Since I mentioned Kanye, and I know you are not hip to the hip talk. :-) That song Spaceship is not about robbing a store. It is partly about Kanye's story which he alludes to over and over again. He went to college and dropped out (greatly angering his mother). He dropped out because he said he was bored and wasting his time and he knew he was going to be a music producer. In the song he talks about his frustration working at Gap in Chicago and the racism he felt there and how he wished he could beat up his boss and rob the place (he did not, it was him day dreaming...I'm sure we have all had dreams of beating up a boss or two). Anyway, he goes on to describe how he spent a lot of time making tracks for music in his room during the summers. Eventually Kanye did become a producer under Jay-Z's label, Rockafella Records...which was a big accomplishment for a man his age (Jay Z is nearly a billionaire and married to the singer Beyonce, but grew up in Queens I believe and was a drug dealer and even shot his step brother, long story). Anyway, Jay Z didn't have faith in Kanye as a rapper because he thought he was not "ganster" and didn't understand his style of message. Eventually Kanye did get a contract and when his first album dropped (was released) it blew up (platinum) but it was not gangster. He often tells kids that they should go to college and that everyone can not be like him but they should have a dream and if they believe in it to follow it and work hard toward it. Even in the section of the song Spaceship where the other rapper does his lines he talks about working for the mafia and having a tech 9, but he also says that he knows this is the wrong way to live and he thinks he is messed up because he lost his parents and at the end he says he should have went to "school" (college) like his cousin and he would not be in this situation. This is typical Kanye. He writes a lot of songs about partying and women but also hard work, personal responsibility, not being materialistic, promiscuous women being bad, religion, how he grew up. His mother, as I mentioned was a professor and his father a reporter in Atlanta (they are estranged). Kanye raps a lot with Talib Kweli (African American Muslim) and Common. They are all leftist but they also rap similar to Kanye and have been highly critical of "gangster rap" and the music industry for promoting it over more "conscious" and political rap. They are doing quite well on the charts so there is a market for this.
When I was a kid I didn't listen to NWA and Snoop Dog. I listened to Poor Richeous Teachers, Jungle Brothers, Nas, De La Soul, Public Enemy, and Black Sheep. Its not a coincidence that once rap became mainstream and the majority of the market was "white" that music producers started promoting black stereotypes in ganster rap and it sold off the charts...many whites have never had a problem paying big money to justify their stereotypes of blacks. I don't think the average suburban white boy wants to listen to "the Lost Profits" but they will buy Dr. Dre's latest ghetto horror story. Luckily the pendulum is swinging back the other way.
What makes you think I would fear you or anyone you know? The idea seems ludicrous to me. Can you point to specifics?