2008 July 09 Wednesday
Obama Promises To Outdo John McCain On Immigration Amnesty

For Barack Obama it isn't enough that McCain worked harder and longer to grant immigration amnesty to poorly educated, low skilled illegal immigrants. Oh no. Never mind that McCain was much more up front about it than Obama was before they started running for the Presidency of the United States. Obama questions McCain's commitment to immigration amnesty and emphasizes his own dedication to let in and legalize the Third World flood.

Now, I know Senator McCain used to buck his party on immigration by fighting for comprehensive reform, and I admired him for it. But when he was running for his party's nomination, he abandoned his courageous stance, and said that he wouldn't even support his own legislation if it came up for a vote. Well, for eight long years, we've had a President who made all kinds of promises to Latinos on the campaign trail, but failed to live up to them in the White House, and we can't afford that anymore. We need a President who isn't going to walk away from something as important as comprehensive reform when it becomes politically unpopular. That's the commitment I'm making to you. I marched with you in the streets of Chicago to meet our immigration challenge. I fought with you in the Senate for comprehensive immigration reform. And I will make it a top priority in my first year as President -- not only because we have an obligation to secure our borders and get control of who comes in and out of our country. And not only because we have to crack down on employers who are abusing undocumented immigrants instead of hiring citizens. But because we have to finally bring undocumented immigrants out of the shadows. Yes, they broke the law. And they should have to pay a fine, and learn English, and go to the back of the line. That's how we'll put them on a pathway to citizenship. That's how we'll finally fix our broken immigration system and avoid creating a servant class in our midst. It's time to reconcile our values and principles as a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. That's what this election is all about.

I'm not voting for either of these disasters.

On Obama's "and avoid creating a servant class in our midst": The only way to do that is to deport the illegals and to stop letting in anyone who isn't highly skilled and smart. But you can bet Obama isn't going to admit that any more than McCain will.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2008 July 09 10:14 PM  Immigration Politics

HellKaiserRyo said at July 9, 2008 10:23 PM:

Maybe you should work within the Republican Party to stop immigration, but being a Machavellian liberal, I am not willing to speak out against immigration. By doing that, you will be doing us a big favor.

I'll quote this from the Bible:

"13Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?

14And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

15Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

16And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.

17Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

18For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. [/b]

25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

26Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified. "

In other words, I am not willing to do the dirty work. You do it.

Joe Friday said at July 10, 2008 7:26 AM:

McCain has been for amnesty and open borders all along, and he thinks he can get away with that because a certain portion of the voters back in his own state are going to punch his ticket just because he's got an "R" after his name. Even though loose immigration policy is not a popular position even among most Democrats.

McCain has got his nuts in a vice because Obama has gotten to his left on an issue he takes personally, immigration, and McCain is going naturally want to go there. But he can't get to Obama's left, without taking a huge risk. If the old man goes any further left on immigration, he risks a defeat of McGovern-like proportions, because there aren't enough voters who are gung-ho to pick a fight with Iran to offset those who will be disgusted and stay home or throw their vote away on Bob Barr (as I am going to).

thegomezsymbol said at July 10, 2008 8:25 AM:

"we've had a President who made all kinds of promises to Latinos on the campaign trail..."
I don't see why a president would make promises to people who are not citizens of the country (whether Latinos or not), or why should he deliver any kind of benefits for non-citizens.

On the other hand, I would be happy if learning English was a requirement...

Brent Lane said at July 10, 2008 9:29 AM:

I wonder what exactly Obama means by this phrase:

"Yes, they broke the law. And they should have to pay a fine, and learn English, and go to the back of the line. That's how we'll put them on a pathway to citizenship."

If that were to mean that they would be allowed to continue to reside in the US, subject to all of its laws, but receive none of the benefits of citizens (like unemployment compensation or ADFC), all the while having taxes deducted from their paychecks (as well as having their employers' pay their share of FICA in addition to paying them according to EEOC guidelines), and still have to go through the long and arduous naturalization process before becoming legal US citizens, then perhaps it would be worthwhile. Mainly because most of them say, eh, it's not worth it, and return to their nation of origin - especially after they have lost their jobs because their employers aren't allowed to pay them under the table anymore.

Unfortunately, I don't think this is what he meant at all.

Randall Parker said at July 10, 2008 7:08 PM:

Brent Lane,

The "back of the line" is behind people who have applied for visas in Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, China, Zaire, Brazil, and dozens of other countries. But that is not what he means. Therefore Obama's lying.

Stephen said at July 11, 2008 6:49 PM:

Then to what is he referring when he says "back of the line"?

HellKaiserRyo said at July 11, 2008 9:25 PM:

Randall: What do you think will happen after two years of an Obama presidency? Since you have Republican tendencies, I will ask you out of curiosity what will your "Contract for America" will be? (It cannot be simply things that you like, but are popular conservative goals designed to get Republicans reelected and will solve tough problems) Maybe there will be a resurgence of conservatism when Barack Obama's policies will fail to mitigate peak oil and other calamities.

I do not support immigration (but the Democrats support it because it has the potential to give them potential voters.) I could care less if the welfare state has more population support when it would be stressed and enervated by too many people using it. I do not see how this will support liberal policies in the future. (I imagine that conservatives will try to disenfranchise those will lower economic status to counter this.)

Randall Parker said at July 12, 2008 12:10 AM:


He's pretending. He's trying to see if he can get away with pretending to oppose giving preference to illegals who are here over legal applicants who are still in other countries.


A bad economy makes the people in power less popular. Well, Peak Oil is going to give us an extended period of bad economic conditions. So eventually the Obama euphoria will wear off as people find that stagnant and declining living standards and lots of layoffs make them dissatisfied with the national elected officials.

Contract With America: Maybe the Republicans will run on opening up more areas to drilling. But by 2010 the energy situation might be bad enough to cause the Democrats to vote for it. The Republicans need to run on proposals that the Democrats will refuse to implement. Restriction of immigration will become more appealing as the economic conditions worsen. But what else?

Immigration: If Democrats who are opposed to it will not do the dirty work of supporting immigration restriction then we are going to get more immigration.

Disenfranchisement: I think elements of the Left will embrace it eventually. Smart people on both sides of the aisle will eventually recognize that they have common interests against the dummies.

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