2008 May 23 Friday
McCain Renews His Support For Immigration Amnesty

"Comprehensive immigration reform" is Washington DC code-speak for immigration amnesty. Well, speaking in Silicon Valley John McCain renewed his support for immigration amnesty.

UNION CITY - Republican presidential candidate John McCain joined Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in calling today for comprehensive immigration reform, including guest worker visas to bring employees to California's Silicon Valley and the state's vast agricultural fields.

The two men brought up the issue at McCain's prompting during a global competitiveness roundtable featuring California technology executives and entrepreneurs.

Is Obama as thoroughly as bad as McCain on immigration?

McCain wants to recruit the best and the brightest into farm fields.

McCain said they should be allowed to seek legal status in a "humane and comprehensive fashion" through a program "they can count on and trust."

Responding to a question about so-called H1-B visas for Silicon Valley workers, McCain said: "We have to attract the best and brightest minds. It isn't just H1-B visas. In our agricultural sector, they can't find workers as well. We need a temporary agriculture (worker) program."

He's arguing that we can't afford to pay decent wages to farm field workers. He's arguing that we can't automate much of the work. No, we need to bring in large numbers of foreign peasants to live in poverty and do lots of manual work.

McCain is a religious universalist on immigration and wants all of God's children to be able to move to the Promised Land of the United States.

McCain repeated his line about illegal immigrants being "God's children" — one he's been using since he openly backed comprehensive reform, and one that aims to mollify his base. (The board likes it too.) So far, it's unclear whether he chimed in when Schwarzenegger voiced his support for driver's licenses for illegal immigrants.

It's also notable that he went further than his Silicon Valley interlocutors asked him to go — they were focusing on a relatively small segment of the immigrant population (temporary skilled workers) that's easier, politically, to support. But McCain extended his answer to include agricultural workers and even said "comprehensive" — seen as a synonym for amnesty in some parts.

Yes, "comprehensive" means amnesty.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2008 May 23 04:45 PM  Immigration Elites Versus Masses


Comments
as said at May 23, 2008 6:48 PM:

Is Obama as thoroughly as bad as McCain on immigration?

How could a Democrat be better than McCain on immigration?

I remember previously you saying that you were going to back that Hillary Clinton because of her stance on immigration.

Not the Republicans are good or anything, but I don't understand this trope about Democrats being better on immigration.

Randall Parker said at May 23, 2008 7:23 PM:

as,

McCain is really bad on immigration. I do not know as much about Obama on immigration. I'm asking a question. Not stating a position about Obama.

tommy said at May 23, 2008 7:47 PM:
Is Obama as thoroughly as bad as McCain on immigration?

I don't know. It's hard to imagine anyone worse than McCain on immigration. Apparently, Obama's bad enough to fabricate hate crime statistics, and pin the blame for those phony statistics on people like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh, while he raises money from Hispanics.

Still, it is hard to imagine anyone who has their heart in amnesty as much as McCain.

HellKaiserRyo said at May 23, 2008 7:49 PM:

How could a Democrat be better than McCain on immigration?

They could be better if they were from the South... those "democrats" aren't open borders liberals.

Randall Parker said at May 23, 2008 8:05 PM:

HellKaiserRyo reminds me: Isn't Byron Dorgan (D ND) pretty much against immigration amnesty and illegal immigration?

McCain was a major sponsor of amnesty attempts. My impression is that Obama just went along for the ride but wasn't a major proponent.

dchamil said at May 24, 2008 7:53 AM:

Illegal immigrants may be all God's children, but they can just as well be God's Mexican children, residing in delightful, charming Mexico.

clayton said at May 24, 2008 9:28 PM:

Obama the politician always sits on the fence waiting to see which way the wind blows. Not that he would make a move, but he sure can talk up a storm about the wind.

Ned said at May 25, 2008 11:38 AM:

McCain gets a D on the Immigration Report Card from Numbers USA. Obama and Hillary both get D-. So they are slightly worse than he is, if possible. Face it - "comprehensive immigration reform" is a done deal in the next Congress, with the Democrats certain to ring up big gains. Then, whichever of these worthies get elected Prez, he or she will be pleased to sign off on the deal, just like GWB is. This will be great news for California, which is already in a budget crisis - lots more low-wage immigrants entitled to free health care for their families, free education for their kids, etc., etc., etc. Of course, the elites, whether liberal or conservative (and this is one issue that really brings them together) will have lots of cheap, docile workers for their business and factories or to serve as nannies, gardeners and pool boys on their estates. What about the losers in this wonderland - lower middle class American citizens and legal residents, African-Americans, and taxpayers? Oh, nobody cares about them....

Randall Parker said at May 25, 2008 12:11 PM:

Randall Burns reports on other measures of the candidates' immigration voting records:

The New York Time sums up the McCain position on immigration as:

Supports a path to legalization for illegal immigrants that includes learning English and paying fines; voted for fence along Mexican border.

The Obama summary on immigration is identical except with this addition:

toughen penalties for hiring illegal immigrants;

However, the NYT didn’t go into the position on H-1b expansion these candidates have proposed.

According to Americans for Better Immigration, Clinton has earned an F, McCain has earned an F- and Obama has shared Clinton’s rather abysmal record.

Basically, the Republicans are acting as an employers lobby–in an election where it appears they have relatively little to offer employers. The Democrats are retaining an important card in the immigration game.

However, the card of employer sanctions is substantial. The existing fines for employer sanctions at up to $25,000 per violation could easily run into hundreds of billions of dollars. That could provide the germ of some real alternatives to amnesty if Democrats were to get serious about addressing immigration issues.

Toadal said at May 25, 2008 5:12 PM:

The 'Open Border' philosophy of short sighted politicians and businessmen has lead to policies that harm our ability to attract educated immigrants. In fact, once the figures have been tabulated, they will show California and the nation is now in the process of shedding talented foreign workers. The state has become the 'Earth Mother Magnet' of the world's least talented reflected in the fact we are the nation's educational crab bucket.

The NAEP has shown that California is tied for 49th in national science scores, even Alabama scores higher.

http://nationsreportcard.gov/science_2005/s0106.asp?subtab_id=Tab_1&tab_id=tab2#chart

The California public school system is 95% crap, with 100s of millions of dollars being spent for private schooling by concerned and alarmed parents. Alas, I am among them. Unfortunately, we can only expect the public schools to worsen since California is attracting and subsidizing illegals other states have closed their coffers to.

Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D., Professor of Human Resources and Organizational Behavior used math and reading scores collected by the National Center for Educational Statistics (NCES) to estimate state IQ. A comparison of states follow:

Rank #1 Massachusetts IQ 104.3
Rank #4 North Dakota IQ 103.8
Rank #39 South Carolina IQ 95.7
Rank #48 California IQ 95.5
Rank #50 Mississippi IQ 94.2

How California expects to attract the best and brightest foreign workers to remain
in the state is a major headache for realists in the legislature and our governor.

Mr. T said at May 26, 2008 9:21 PM:

"We have to attract the best and brightest minds."

Randall, are you dense? If we fail to import millions of the best and brightest minds from rural Latin America to pick our cherry tomatoes, the United States citizenry will starve and the economy will collapse. Don't you remember the mass famines that followed Operation WetBack in 1950s? Without an immediate guestworker program, I predict our economy will fall into the same ruin that low-immigration nations like Japan and Singapore are in.

Did I mention we're about to turn the corner in Iraq?


Patrick said at June 11, 2008 9:24 AM:

"Is Obama as thoroughly as bad as McCain on immigration?"

OBAMA IS WORSE.


Obama voted horribly on every single amendment that came up during the immigration debate:
- Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
- Obama was for an amendment that added to chain migration and cut the guts of one good part of the bill, moving away from chain migration.
- border security? Voted to filibuster the border fence
- Obama was even for rewarding illegal gang members and criminals with amnesty ... no conditions.
- Obama co-sponsored for comprehensive immigration reform

* Voted on Senate floor in favor of amendment to expand chain migration in 2007 (SA 1183 to S.1348)
* Voted on Senate floor against an amendment to bar certain criminals from U.S. in 2007( SA 1184 to S.1385). Certain criminals included absconders, alien security risks, sex offenders, gang members, and other domestic violence offenders
* Voted in favor of the DREAM ACT in 2007 which reward illegal aliens with amnesty
* Co-sponsored the AgJobs Bill 2007 (S.340). Bill would create an amnesty for illegal agricultural workers.
* The idea that the United States will deport 12 million illegal immigrants is ridiculous. (CNN 2.21.08 Debate)
* We are not going to devote all of our law enforcement resources to deporting immigrants.(CNN 2.21.08 Debate).
http://www.firesociety.com/article/21856

Also, "Work with Mexico: Obama believes we need to do more to promote economic development in Mexico to decrease illegal immigration."

Obama the junior senator voted with Senator Durbin, one of the most fervent senators for DREAM Act, amnesty, etc.

Positions from debates:

Q: In the absence of comprehensive immigration reform, do you support driver's licenses for illegal immigrants?

A: Yes. I am going to be fighting for comprehensive immigration reform, and we shouldn't pose the question that, somehow, we can't achieve that. The American people desperately want it; that's what I'm going to be fighting for as president.
Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada Nov 15, 2007

Q: Would you allow "sanctuary cities" to ignore the federal law & provide sanctuary to immigrants?

A: The federal law is not being enforced not because of failures of local communities, but because the federal government has not done the job that it needs to do.

Q: You would allow the sanctuary cities to exist?
A: What I would do as president is pass comprehensive immigration reform. And controlling our borders but also providing a rational immigration system, which we currently don't have.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate at Dartmouth College Sep 6, 2007

Q: Are you going to create a path to the citizenship for undocumented workers?

A: We have to make sure that employers are held accountable, because right now employers are taking advantage of undocumented workers. And we've got to give a pathway to citizenship.
Source: 2007 AFL-CIO Democratic primary forum Aug 8, 2007

* Obama supports the folowing principles regarding immigration:Continue to extend state-funded welfare benefits for legal immigrants.
* Use state funds to continue some Medicaid coverage for legal immigrants.

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities".
CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: To create a reserve fund to ensure that Federal assistance does not go to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists. This vote is a motion to table the amendment; voting YES would kill the amendment.

SUPPORTER'S ARGUMENT FOR VOTING NO ON TABLING MOTION:Sen. VITTER: There are so-called sanctuary cities which establish as an official policy of their jurisdiction: We are not going to cooperate with Federal immigration enforcement officials. That is wrong. What is more, it is completely contrary to Federal immigration law. My amendment says: We are going to put some consequence to that defiance of Federal law. We are not going to give them COPS funds. We are going to send those funds, instead, to all of those other jurisdictions which abide by Federal law.OPPONENT'S ARGUMENT FOR VOTING YES ON TABLING MOTION:Sen. DURBIN: There are sanctuary cities in about 23 different States across America. What the Vitter amendment will do is to take away the COPS funding from those cities. Police departments will tell you they need the cooperation of everyone to solve crimes and stop crime. If you create fear in the minds of those who are here in an undocumented status that any cooperation with the police will result in their arrest, they will not cooperate and criminals will go free. Let's not use the COPS Program as some sort of threat. If you want to deal with immigration, deal with it responsibly in a comprehensive way. SUPPORTER'S RESPONSE:Sen. VITTER: If folks feel that way, they should come to Congress and change Federal law, not simply defy Federal law. This is another amnesty vote. Are we going to give folks in sanctuary cities amnesty for defying Federal law and refusing to cooperate with Federal immigration officials? LEGISLATIVE OUTCOME:Motion to Table Agreed to, 58-40
Reference: Bill Table S.Amdt.4309 to S.Con.Res ; vote number 08-S069 on Mar 13, 2008

Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities".
CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: To create a reserve fund to ensure that Federal assistance does not go to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists. This vote is a motion to table the amendment; voting YES would kill the amendment.

SUPPORTER'S ARGUMENT FOR VOTING NO ON TABLING MOTION:Sen. VITTER: There are so-called sanctuary cities which establish as an official policy of their jurisdiction: We are not going to cooperate with Federal immigration enforcement officials. That is wrong. What is more, it is completely contrary to Federal immigration law. My amendment says: We are going to put some consequence to that defiance of Federal law. We are not going to give them COPS funds. We are going to send those funds, instead, to all of those other jurisdictions which abide by Federal law.OPPONENT'S ARGUMENT FOR VOTING YES ON TABLING MOTION:Sen. DURBIN: There are sanctuary cities in about 23 different States across America. What the Vitter amendment will do is to take away the COPS funding from those cities. Police departments will tell you they need the cooperation of everyone to solve crimes and stop crime. If you create fear in the minds of those who are here in an undocumented status that any cooperation with the police will result in their arrest, they will not cooperate and criminals will go free. Let's not use the COPS Program as some sort of threat. If you want to deal with immigration, deal with it responsibly in a comprehensive way. SUPPORTER'S RESPONSE:Sen. VITTER: If folks feel that way, they should come to Congress and change Federal law, not simply defy Federal law. This is another amnesty vote. Are we going to give folks in sanctuary cities amnesty for defying Federal law and refusing to cooperate with Federal immigration officials? LEGISLATIVE OUTCOME:Motion to Table Agreed to, 58-40
Reference: Bill Table S.Amdt.4309 to S.Con.Res ; vote number 08-S069 on Mar 13, 2008


http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Barack_Obama_Immigration.htm

"Millions of undocumented immigrants live and work here without our knowing their identity or their background. We need to strike a workable bargain with them. They have to acknowledge that breaking our immigration laws was wrong. They must pay a penalty, and abide by all of our laws going forward. They must earn the right to stay over a 6-year period, and then they must wait another 5 years as legal permanent residents before they become citizens. ...

Some of the proposed ideas in Congress provide a temporary legal status and call for deportation, but fail to answer how the government would deport 11 million people. I don't know how it would be done. I don't know how we would line up all the buses and trains and airplanes and send 11 million people back to their countries of origin.
...
I don't know many police officers across the country who would go along with the bill that came out of the [Republican] House, a bill that would, if enacted, charge undocumented immigrants with felonies, and arrest priests who are providing meals to hungry immigrants, [this is a false allegation] ...

That approach is not serious. That is symbolism, that is demagoguery. It is important that if we are going to deal with this problem, we deal with it in a practical, commonsense way. If temporary legal status is granted but the policy says these immigrants are never good enough to become Americans, then the policy that makes little sense."

- Senator Barack Obama, April 2006

Obama is against English as a National language. And for bilingual education.

Spanish kids speak Spanish, and English-only speakers are the problem:
"Every student should be learning a second language, because when you start getting into a debate about bilingual education, for example, now, I want to make sure that children who are coming out of Spanish-speaking households had the opportunity to learn and are not falling behind. If bilingual education helps them do that, I want to give them the opportunity. But I also want to make sure that English-speaking children are getting foreign languages"

DOES NOT SUPPORT A BORDER FENCE:
# Voted against Cloture of HR6061 -- the Secure Fence Act (a vote against cloture is a vote against the act)
# Voted in favor of HR6061 -- the Secure Fence Act
# Voted on Senate floor for passage of HR6061, in favor of border amendment to kill the border fence in 2006 (SA 4188 to S. 2611 would require consultation with Mexico concerning the construction of the fence)
# Click here for Senate Roll Call Vote
# Sen. Obama along with Sen. Hillary Clinton agreed Thursday night at the CNN Debate (2.21.08), that the Secure Fence Act of 2006 Should not be enforced as written.
# Voted for the Secure Fence Act but now believes the act is not the solution.
# Sen. Obama believes "the key is to consult with local communiteis, whether it's on the commercial interests or the environmental stakes of creating any kind of barrier.
# Sen. Obama would reverse the Secure Fence Act.
# "There may be areas where it makes sense to have some fencing. But for the most part, having border patrolled, surveillance, deploying effective technology, that's going to be the better approach."
http://www.firesociety.com/article/21856


Obama went to La Raza last year:
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=4295

http://no-bama.blogspot.com/


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