2008 March 12 Wednesday
Ashley Alexandra Dupré, Eliot Spitzer, And Inattention About Iraq

Ashley Alexandra Dupré has been fingered by the press as "Kristen", the hooker (or high priced courtesan) that former New York Governor Eliot "Huggy Bear" Spitzer was getting squeezed by. Why am mentioning this? I'm putting the US soldiers killed and maimed in Iraq close to what people really care about so they'll notice real facts about Iraq.

Twenty-eight percent of the public is aware that nearly 4,000 U.S. personnel have died in Iraq over the past five years, while nearly half thinks the death tally is 3,000 or fewer and 23 percent think it is higher, according to an opinion survey released yesterday.

The survey, by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, found that public awareness of developments in the Iraq war has dropped precipitously since last summer, as the news media have paid less attention to the conflict. In earlier surveys, about half of those asked about the death tally responded correctly.

"Kristen" has a nice rack. But we are throwing away trillions of dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq in a pointless war. You can check out what she looks like. But really, do you want US forces to stay in Iraq 100 years?

The Iraqi government is now functioning?

Eliot Spitzer is a loser because he had to pay for sex from a prostitute rather than getting it legally for free from an intern. Americans are losers because they can't pay enough attention to demand a US withdrawal from Iraq. While we've been pouring money down the Iraq rat hole the price of oil has skyrocketed to over $110 per barrel. We could have taken that over a trillion dollars wasted on Iraq and funded better insulation, energy research, hybrid vehicles, and other measures that would have saved us money on oil. Trillions of dollars wasted are a lot more than $4300 spent to have "Kristen" provide her services in a DC hotel room. We should be more upset about the trillions of dollars than a few thousand.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2008 March 12 10:20 PM  Mideast Iraq Exit Debate

gcochran said at March 12, 2008 11:44 PM:

But you have to understand, by hanging on in Iraq we're preventing the rebirth of the Sassanid Empire while simultaneously derailing the Butlerian Jihad. And more: it's entirely possible that one or more of the local boys we've killed in Iraq would have been a direct ancestor of the Mule, who will now never be born - thus saving the entire Galaxy from telepathic domination.

Or, maybe the United States was fated to turn into something incredibly evil far in the future, Black Númenóreans maybe, and the Time Patrol is nipping that nasty in the bud.

Stephen said at March 13, 2008 12:41 AM:

$4300?? She has a career as a defense contractor.

I say that everyone should have access to government subsidised hookers. It'll be a much more pleasurable way to bankrupt the economy that a dumb war.

Vote for me.

daveg said at March 13, 2008 1:47 AM:

The few times I have been to myspace I have been revolted. I just don't see how making your life so public is in any way positive. And do you really make "friends" on such a place?

Must be a generational thing.

Snouck said at March 13, 2008 2:11 AM:

I know my question is totally immoral but I have been haunted by it for a decade. Can any of you Americans explain to me why Pres. Clinton dabbled with that house elephant Lewinsky? He was the most powerful man in the world, for crying out loud.

Women are "charged" by power. Pres. Clinton must have been besieged by delectable hordes. Was he trying to insult Hillary?

Otherwise it just does not quite compute.



daveg said at March 13, 2008 2:33 AM:

Pres. Clinton dabbled with that house elephant Lewinsky?

I have thought about this as well. I can only speculate, but I think Clinton is a guy who likes to make other people happy - a pleaser, so to speak. Clnton wanted everyone to like him.

I honestly think he felt like he was doing a "good deed" by letting this women blow him. Perhaps he thought he was helping build her self-confidence.

That is the best I can come up with, as I think the number of people who would touch her voluntarily would be limited.

Interestingly, she actally had an affair with one of her male high school teachers who was not bad looking either and was married. So, maybe she just has amazing powers of seduction and/or persuasion.

Kenelm Digby said at March 13, 2008 4:52 AM:

What Eliot Spitzer chooses to do with his own money in his private life is purely his own business.
I really cannot fathom American hypocrisy and prurience regarding sex.On the one hand the USA is saturated with hard-core pornography, literally pouring out of every pore,to the extent that is *the* major industry of the San Fernando Valley and it is exported worldwide (probably as you are reading this some scurvy, Islamic jihaddist holed up in a cave in the wilds of Pakistan is watching on DVD some blonde All-American strumpet being buggered every which way in a marathon session by enormously endowed paid-for studs).
In Japan, for instance, it is accepted that major business deals are made in the brothel,and the brothel is favored place for corporate 'entertaining' and 'hospitality'.
Likewise in mediaeval Europe, the brothels were for the most part the property of the Catholic Church, which obtained a massive revenue from this source.Brothels were attached to most major European courts and visiting dignataries were expected to make use of the 'facilites'.
Similarly in the time of the Borgia Popes, we have the extant account of one Burchardt*, the Papal master of ceremonies organizing an 'entertainment - on vatican precincts - the highlight of which was 'Naked prostitutes crawling around in all-fours looking for hidden roasted chestnuts'.
Afterwards a competition was held in which the guest who was able to perform the most copulations receeved a prize.

* See the excellent 'A History of Prostitution' by George Ryley Scott.

Kenelm Digby said at March 13, 2008 5:21 AM:

"Ashley Alexandra Dupre has been fingered by the press as Kristen".

Ooops Randall, a rather unfortunate choice of words there (although I know nothing of Mr. Spitzer's penchants and predilictions).


snouck said at March 13, 2008 5:46 AM:

Kenelm Digby:
"I really cannot fathom American hypocrisy .... regarding sex."

Well "America" is a collective. So it is possible for different Americans to have different opinions on the morality of purchasing sex and still be consequent.

Spitzer himself has strongly pushed legislation that makes it illigal to purchase sex in his state. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/nyregion/12prostitute.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I think calling Spitzer a hypocrite is a more accurate use of the term.

There is a Dutch idiom: "falling in the trap you dug for someone else".

black sea said at March 13, 2008 6:20 AM:

Kenelm says:

"What Eliot Spitzer chooses to do with his own money in his private life is purely his own business."

You are aware, I guess, that Eliot Spitzer pushed for legislation raising the penalities for sex trafficking.

From a NY Times article, under this legislation:

"A conviction for sex trafficking would bring a penalty of 3 to 25 years in prison while labor trafficking would be punishable by three to seven years. Coercing victims into prostitution by force would be treated as a felony sex trafficking offense, as would luring victims with promises of jobs or by providing them with illegal drugs. Language added at Mr. Spitzer’s behest also takes aim at “prostitution tourism,” clarifying that selling travel-related services to facilitate prostitution abroad is a felony."

You may also be aware that by arranging for this prostitute to travel from NY to Washington to service him, Eliot Spitzer is in violation of the very legislation he promoted and signed.

You may also have read that Spitzer had a nasty reputation as a bully and self-rightous, arrogant jerk who threatened an executive daring to criticize Sptizer's Wall Street prosecutions.

"I really cannot fathom American hypocrisy and prurience regarding sex."

First, what people profess in public and what they do in private sometimes diverge. Second, in a nation of 300 million people, there is bound to be a range of attitudes and values regarding what consitutes "normal" or at least socially acceptable sexual conduct. Of course, pornography and prostitution aren't the same thing, and one could logically indulge in one, while rejecting the other, which in fact a lot of people do. It really isn't that surprising that Americans both (a) produce pornographic videos and (b) oppose legalized prostitution, anymore than it is surprising that Brits both (a) distribute illegal drugs, and (b) prosecute and jail people for distributing illegal drugs. Different groups of people with different values and priorities. Of course,when somebody both crusades against illegal drugs and distributes them, he's going to find it difficult to extract much sympathy from the public.

Eliot Spitzer's downfall is the playing out of Eliot Spitzer's arrogance and hypocrisy. If he believed that prostitution should be legal (for which a reasonable case can be made), then he should have been advocating this position, or at the very least, he should have kept his mouth shut about it. This guy deserved to take a fall.

As a final note, during the Clinton-Lewinsky episode, Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Clinton's chief political foe, avoided anyting more than the most pallid criticisms of Clinton's behavior. Gingrich did so because he was at that time himself conducting an extra-marital affair. He knew that others were aware of this, and recognized that if he attacked Clinton on the issue of sexual morality, his private affair would quickly be made public. Smart man.

Stephen said at March 14, 2008 4:07 AM:

Black, if your description of the legislation is correct, then I don't think its 'sex tourism' if the prostitute comes to you. Furthermore, it seems to me that a person who orders a home delivered hooker is not 'selling travel related services', its more like they're buying the services.

Maybe he wasn't against hookers per se, but instead was against the practice of trafficking. That said, if hiring a hooker is against the law in the land of the free, then he's still done for.

Kenelm Digby said at March 14, 2008 4:51 AM:

So, in the end Eliot Spitzer fell on his sword.

black sea said at March 14, 2008 5:41 AM:

I don't know that much about the legislation Spiter championed , but I have heard (during the voluminous TV coverage) that by arranging for "Ashley" to fly down to Washington, Spitzer may have fallen afoul of the "sex-trafficking" provision.

This legislation apparently doesn't just deal with sex tourism. According to Equal Justice, a Newsletter off the New York State Committee on Women in the Courts (no, I don't subscribe, I just ran across it via Google): "The demand side of the sex indutry is addressed in a provision raising the penalty for patronizing a prostitute."

Perhaps he regrets that particular provision.

A sidebar of the same document says the following: "Eliot Spitzer may find himself vulnerable to prosecution under tough provisions to the NY Penal Law §230.04 anti-prostitution law he championed and signed in June 2007."

I think the main point here is that a man who pushes for more aggressive anti-prositution legislation during the same period that he is availing himself of the services of prostitutes is, at the very least, an arch-hypocrite. If I could go one step further, I wouldn't be surprised if Spitzer didn't derive some kind of sadistic or egomanical thrill out of prosecuting other people for operating prostitution rings while he himself was traveling in the same circles.

The more I read about this case, the more I think it serves as a powerful warning of what can happen when "public servants" become intoxicated with their own power. Eliot Spitzer was born into extraordinarily fortunate circumstances, and, from what I've read, came of parents who tired to provide him with the best in education, as well as the best opportunities for a purposeful career. Not to mention a substantial financial cushion that would allow him to never sweat over the financial worries that 98% of Americans must deal with to some degree.

And this is what the guy turned into, a petty despot who delighted in prosecting others for the same crime he committed? I don't feel much sympathy. Well, maybe for his family I do.

Anonymous said at March 14, 2008 7:07 AM:

The whore is the only one with any sense of honor. You should read what she said over at The Smoking Gun.

She knew what she was: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0306082emperor6.html

I can respect that.

If Spitzer had any sense of decency, he kill himself.

Bob Badour said at March 14, 2008 7:23 AM:

I wonder if they will get Steve Carell to play Spitzer in the movie: "Whoreton hears a hoor"

It will add a whole new meaning to "a person's a person no matter how small".

Kenelm Digby said at March 15, 2008 6:31 AM:

"Cocksure and arrogant the young Eliot Spitzer made a name for himself as an outstanding performer in the cock-pit that is the New York bar.The seminal work of the bold and thrusting attorney was the prosecution of big-time Wall Street crooks for which the up-and-coming District Attorney earned their emnity.
Nemesis came in paroxysm of media frenzy, in the most anti-climactic way possible.
Visibly shrunken and wilting after the affair a much diminished Spitzer shamefacely withdrew from public life in what has been called a 'soft-landing' after a sky-rocketting career.

(Sorry - but the only way to treat this story is as a big joke).

Foxbark said at March 16, 2008 5:39 AM:

I've known a number of seriously wealthy ewish entrepeneurs over the years, and true to stereotype they were punchy, aggressive people whose energy seeped over to bed-room activities - each one of them had a major whore-habit, sleeping with multiple partners each week and spending thousands of dollars on their favored past-time.
I believe that this behavior pattern is also common with other successful Semites be they Lebanese or Saudi arabians.

Ask a Hooker said at March 19, 2008 12:36 PM:


Nuff said, all you need to know about ho's like this one.

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