2005 November 19 Saturday
Immigrant Men Beat Their Wives In Norway

Theresa (don't know her last name) has translated a Norwegian news article into English. Immigrant men in Norway beat their families.

It is more common [in Norway] that men with immigrant backgrounds hit their wives, than do men of ethnic Norwegian backgrounds -- this is demonstrated by the numbers from police and crisis centers from around the country.

Eighty percent of the women that seek out the Crisis Center in Oslo have immigrant backgrounds. [NB. Immigrants make up 22.3% of the Oslo population.*] Nearly all are married to men of foreign origin, discloses the center director, Tone Skjelbostad, to Dagsavisen (the day paper).

Also, nation-wide the numbers show that foreign women staying at crisis centers that are married to immigrant men are clearly over represented comapred to the total number of immigrants [in the country]. In total, 48% of all women at crisis centers had foreign backgrounds in 2004. Sixty-eight percent of these women were married to foreign men.

Of those not married to foreign men I wonder what percentage are married the sons of foreign men or what percentage were beaten by their foreign brothers or fathers.

"We know that there is much violence against women in cultures where men have a lot of power and there is little parity [equality]. Now are there many immigrants from such countries in Norway, and the violent element with foreign backgrounds is growing," said the director of the Crisis Senter Secretariat, Tove Smaadahl.

The women get beaten by their families for dating Norwegian men? Sounds like it:

Many of the foreign women at the crisis centers are also being exposed to [victims of] violence after relationships with ethnically Norwegian men.

"Dark numbers" [lit.]

The numbers from the Oslo police district show that around 70% of family violence cases have attackers or victims, or both, that are of backgrounds other than Norwegian.

8 percent of the population of Norway are immigrants and some are from countries where they don't beat their wives much.

  • The immigrant population is now 365 000. This group accounts for 8 per cent of Norway's population, and the figure has tripled since 1980. Broken down by country, 53 000 are immigrants from other Nordic countries, 45 000 come from other countries in Western Europe and North America, 61 000 come from Eastern Europe, and 205 000 come from Turkey and countries in Asia, Africa and South America.
  • The majority of first-generation immigrants are from Sweden, Denmark, Iraq and Pakistan. 46 per cent of the immigrant population have Norwegian citizenship.
  • The number of immigrants has increased in the last 50 years. The first immigrants to Norway came from Eastern Europe after the Second World War, followed by labour immigrants from Europe and the rest of the world. Since Norway introduced the ban on labour immigration in 1975, the number of refugees from non-western countries has increased.
  • The number of immigrants varies with the immigration policy pursued by the government, the needs of the labour market and global crises. Immigration increased during and after the Balkan wars of the 1990s. In recent years, the majority of new immigrants have come to Norway as a result of family reunions, to start a family with other immigrants or with Norwegians.
  • Statistics Norway has published figures on immigrants since the Population Census of 1865. Back then 1.2 per cent of a total population of 1.7 million were born abroad; the majority in Sweden. In 1920, the immigrant population had increased to 2.8 per cent. During the interwar period there was little immigration, and by 1950 only 1.4 per cent of the population were born abroad.

So you have to figure that those from the Muslim countries, who are only a fraction of the 8%, are doing an awful lot of beating to be the cause of such a large fraction of total beatings. Repeat after me: Muslim immigration is bad.

Update: Check out this Christian Science Monitor article by Bruce Bawer entitled "Not all Muslims want to integrate".

But enduring segregation is a fact of life in France as it is elsewhere on the continent. Millions of "French Muslims" don't consider themselves French. A government report leaked last March depicted an increasingly two-track educational system: More and more Muslim students refuse to sing, dance, participate in sports, sketch a face, or play an instrument. They won't draw a right angle (it looks like part of the Christian cross). They won't read Voltaire and Rousseau (too antireligion), Cyrano de Bergerac (too racy), Madame Bovary (too pro-women), or Chrétien de Troyes (too chrétien). One school has separate toilets for "Muslims" and "Frenchmen"; another obeyed a Muslim leader's call for separate locker rooms because "the circumcised should not have to undress alongside the impure."

Many Muslims, wanting to enjoy Western prosperity but repelled by Western ways, travel regularly back to their homelands. From Oslo, where I live, there are more direct flights every week to Islamabad than to the US. A recent Norwegian report noted that among young Norwegians of Pakistani descent, family honor depends largely on "not being perceived as Norwegian - as integrated."

Again, Muslim immigration is bad.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2005 November 19 04:51 PM  Immigration Societal Decay

daveg said at November 19, 2005 5:15 PM:

viva la difference

Marvin said at November 19, 2005 6:53 PM:

Muslims, only 10% of frenchmen, make up 80% of the prison population in France. When a people are motivated to do a thing, they can perform far above their numbers. A good multiculturalist would tell you that you should not judge a person from another culture. After all, cultures are created equal. Only a person from a certain culture can judge another person from that culture. That is why it's important to create muslim enclaves in Europe, so that all muslim newcomers can be judged by a muslim council.

Michael Blowhard said at November 20, 2005 12:50 AM:

Slightly off-topic here, but since you've got me interested: life in NYC, where I live, is a constant lesson in how-different-they-are. Immigrants whop each other around a lot more than natives do. It's just expected, it seems, in some cultures. I have no idea if this is more prevalent in Muslim immigrants than in others. I do remember watching a standup comic of India-Indian descent do a routine about immigrants and getting-whopped. Gist of his routine was that, "Come on, let's face it, we all know it: immigrants whop each other around a lot more, especially their kids, than other people do." The crowd found the routine hilarious, so I assume they recognized some truth in what he was saying. Oddly, none of this was presented or enjoyed as protest, simply as general truth. I'm on the verge of trying to formulate a crack about how genteel leftism both 1) abhors in-family whopping, yet 2) worships many cultures where a lot of this goes on...

Kenelm Digby said at November 20, 2005 3:50 AM:

If there are any Norwegians or other knowledgeble people reading this, can you please tell me what Pakistanis are doing in Norway in the first place?
How and why did they get there in such large numbers?
As far as I know Norway was never a colonial power, at least not in India.

John S Bolton said at November 20, 2005 11:40 AM:

I would assume it's from refugee admissions. Importing diversity as if it could be a value in itself, will tend to treat diversity of misbehavior as something valuable to be sought. When proper values are used, this does not occur; we bring in a foreigner because he is good for us. When something has to be appreciated for its diversity, that should indicate that there is no actual net positive value to it.

Tim said at November 20, 2005 3:48 PM:

A small number of Pakistanis were brought over as guestworkers during the 1970s. Family reunification, arranged marriages, and a high birthrate have significantly increased their numbers since then. Today Oslo is known as "Little Karachi" (a Pakistani city).

crush41 said at November 20, 2005 8:10 PM:

"I'm on the verge of trying to formulate a crack about how genteel leftism both 1) abhors in-family whopping, yet 2) worships many cultures where a lot of this goes on..."

Plenty of that sort of contradiction to go around: The refusal to criticize hip-hop in general and gansta rap in particular despite ubiquitous homophobic and misogynistic themes and pervasive reference to firearms, Steve Sailer's quote "The problem that faces clinicians is how to deliver genetic services without stigmatizing British Pakistanis on the basis of their marriage pattern," Hispanic machismo ethos, Randall's post and your anecdote, and so on.

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