2005 November 17 Thursday
Low Standards Allow Marseilles To Trumpet Success

The city of Marseilles France would like us to believe they are handling immigrants better than the rest of France.

Mr Gaudin’s graphically enhanced point is that Marseilles’ natural borders – steep hills to the north, east and south, with the sea to the west – have forced it to build HLMs, or high-rise council flats, in the city centre. He contrasts this with most French cities, which have housed their poor immigrants in outer-city suburbs – the infamous banlieues – physically and psychologically excluding them from the bourgeois city centres.

But before the Muslim riots Marseilles was losing 5 to 10 cars a night to arson!

As other French cities burst into flames, Marseilles stayed calm. At the peak of the riots, about 35 cars were burnt a night in the city, hardly more than the pre-riots average of 5 to 10 a night.

Diminished expectations.

Marseilles has police no-go zones.

Yet Marseilles is far from an idyll of racial harmony. There are police no-go zones, and police recently discovered a cache of weapons, including machine guns and a rocket launcher, in one such area.

Relative comparisons between decaying societies tend to cause people to underappreciate just how much is going wrong.

A bit of historical perspective brings home just how much has been lost.

EVREUX, France - Three white-haired women stood before the burnt wreckage of their beauty salon, reminiscing about the days when they still felt safe walking the streets of this Normandy town after dark.

"We were happy here," said one of them, an 80-year-old. "Now we're afraid."

Another looked at her watch and reported it was almost 4:30 p.m. the time that school lets out and when this group of older ladies makes sure they're at home, behind locked doors.

Evreux is like many towns in France, with its prim flower beds, its towering stone cathedral and streets left scarred from a night of fury that has changed the way people live.

80 year old ladies shouldn't have to flee from the streets when schools are let out.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2005 November 17 12:07 AM  Immigration Culture Clash

Marvin said at November 17, 2005 4:10 PM:

De Villepin wants to give the insurgents autonomic zones within which to operate freely. No more police raids to uncover weapons and explosives caches. Live and let live. C'est la vie.

Kurt said at November 18, 2005 4:57 PM:


You may want to reconsider some of what you are saying. There is a French man who has replied to Steve Sailor who says much of the rioting is being perpetrated by Sub-saharan Africans rather than Arabs (I believe North Africans are mostly Arabs and some Berbers) and that one of the reasons why Marseilles is somewhat calmer, is due to the fact that they have almost exclusively Arab immigrants and hardly any sub-Saharan Africans. On the other hand, he did ask the questions if liquor stores are being looted. This is the first thing that happens in an American riot.

I do notice that these riots are relatively "peaceful" compared to American riots in that there have been very few reported fatalities and there does not seem to be much looting. Of course there could be lots of looting and fatalities and the French press could be keeping a muzzle on it to avoid open discussion of the 800lbs gorillas in the room, which brings me to my next point:

You, I, Steve Sailor, Fred Reed and everyone else yammering on this issue have a lack of contact with French people who are seeing the riots with their own eyes. We need to find and contact people there who can tell us what is really going on. Of the above mentioned people, Steve Sailor seems to have the most insightful comments about these riots.

Marvin said at November 20, 2005 9:47 AM:

"There is a French man who has replied to Steve Sailor who says . . ." Rather than hearsay, why not give the actual link to the reply of the "French man" so that we can read it ourselves.

These riots are relatively "peaceful" compared to American riots, except that these riots go on for years, with a dozen or more cars burned a night. These "riots" are merely simmering in the broth, waiting for main entree. Just heating up. These riots are waiting for the critical mass, and that takes time, mon ami.

Meanwhile, Chirac and de Villepin proceed with their plan to create autonomous zones for muslims, where muslim miscreants may be judged by the muslim council. There is no longer need to consider these zones a part of France. Consider them "New Gaza".

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