2005 November 09 Wednesday
Sarkozy Orders Expulsion Of Rioting Foreigners

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered the expulsion of all foreigner caught carrying out attacks in the on-going riots.

"I have asked prefects that foreigners here legally or illegally, who have been convicted (over the unrest) be expelled without delay from our territory," he said of the top government officials who oversee France's 96 administrative districts.

Unfortunately most of the rioters have not been caught. Also, the total number arrested only runs into a few thousand and some of those have French citizenship.

Even those with permanent residency status will be deported.

Mr Sarkozy told MPs that non-French nationals - "not all of whom are here illegally" - had been convicted of taking part in the attacks.

"I have asked the prefects to deport them from our national territory without delay, including those who have a residency visa," he said.

This is a small step in the right direction. But why didn't the French government act more promptly to impose curfews and call out the military to put down the riots?

Here's what he said in French:

J'ai demandé aux préfets que les étrangers, qui sont en situation régulière ou irrégulière, qui ont fait l'objet d'une condamnation, soient expulsés sans délai de notre territoire, y compris ceux qui ont un titre de séjour", a-t-il précisé."Quand on a l'honneur d'avoir un titre de séjour, le moins que l'on puisse dire c'est que l'on n'a pas à se faire arrêter en train de provoquer des violences urbaines", a ajouté le ministre.

Thanks to "Invisible Scientist" for the tip.

Meanwhile French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin blames the rioting on white racism.

Villepin said discrimination is a "daily and repeated infringement of our national ideals."

"These discriminations have a considerable cost for our community," he said. "They deprive our country of talent, and the determination to succeed like others. They feed - notably in the young - frustration and the feeling of not belonging to the national community."

Now that whitey has been fingered as the villain in this piece of political street theater France is going to embrace racial preferences with a vengeance.

While Villepin points to foreign-sounding names as indicators which French businesses use to discriminate he offers no explanation for why, say, Vietnamese immigrants in France are not mostly living in lower class ghettoes and not filling up French prisons. Villepin wants no truck with the idea that the reasons some groups do poorly lie with those groups. The French like to think they are different in some special way from Americans. But they repeat all of our mistakes.

Sarkozy's small scale deportations will matter far less in the long run than Villepin's racial preferences racket.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2005 November 09 02:00 PM  Immigration Culture Clash

Rick Darby said at November 9, 2005 5:57 PM:

How depressing -- though not, I guess, surprising -- to see Britain and now France (as well as, in varying degrees, other European countries) imitating all of American's failed policies of fawning over agressive minorities. I laugh at my earlier innocence now, but years ago I thought Europe was wiser because older and more seasoned than us. I thought we could learn from them. What a hoot.

Neither we nor they have been very smart about contemporary challenges to civil order and cohesive society. The difference is that, damn lucky for us, we have a certain margin for error that they don't. For all our faults, we are a nation that has an inherent "f___ you" attitude toward the ruling elite class. (I love the story, probably apocryphal but still valid, about the European visiting the American west in the 19th century who came upon a cowboy doing his lonely job on the range and asked him, "Who is your master?" The cowboy's contemptuous reply: "He hasn't been born yet.")

Our margin for error is that, however much our would-be masters in Washington and statehouses demand political correctness, there is an intractable stubbornness deep in our souls that won't bend the knee. I don't think Europeans on the whole have any such capacity. Their cognoscenti may be culturally more sophisticated, but democracy and individualism haven't penetrated deeply in the Old World. There is such a bred-in-the-bone tradition of obedience to authority (even if it's theoretically democratic) that when the ruling powers proclaim, in effect, that resistance to Muslim demands is futile, the only comeback is, "I'm glad I won't live to see it."

Thank the living God: most of us still believe we have a choice about what we will live to see.

Tim said at November 9, 2005 8:55 PM:

I think the Vietnamese do mostly live in lower class neighborhoods, but your basic
point stands. France is a proudly meritocratic nation and has traditionally embraced
high-IQ immigrants of all races and ethnicities. As Steve Sailer noted, Sengalese president
Leopold Senghor served in the French cabinet during the 1950s.

If France had instead chosen to bring over guestworkers from India as the UK did, I have
a feeling that the situation today would be different.

Invisible Scientist said at November 9, 2005 11:17 PM:

France is actually quire meritocratic, and many Arabs in France were successful, becuase the ones who moved to France 2 generations ago, were the upper class of their own previous countries, and in some cases these immigrants spoke better French than the average French citizen at that time. However, 1 generation later, the cultural level of the immigrants diminished, and even the Frenchg-born children of the less fortunate immigrants became trapped in a bad situation with less motivation.

The Vietnamese immigrants in France and also the Cambodian refugees did well because many of these were already the upper class of their previous countries, and they were intrinsically secular, and they were already studying religiously hard in French high schools in Viet Nam and Cambodia before coming to France. Also when a minority is very small, it is very easy to assimilate them, when the minority becomes big, then they move to ghettos and they start only thinking in the old way, instead of thinking like the people in the new country. As a general rule a nation or tribe initially attempts to assimilate any minority, but if the minority fails to become assimilated, the tribe actually destroys the minority.

KenelmDigby said at November 10, 2005 3:12 AM:

Don't kid yourself, of course this won't be done.
Do you really think France the home of the Council of Europe, of "lawyers without frontiers" of amnesty international and a thousand other "wet" organisations actually has the guts to go ahead with this? It's merely political guff for the plebs.

John S Bolton said at November 10, 2005 6:04 AM:

In today's NYT, David Brooks described the rioters as "oppressed by racism". What a fine representative of the right, to imagine that one group is oppressed by the beliefs of others. Would he call gentiles in Israel 'oppressed by Judaism'? How is this, possibly fictional, condition of being oppressed by others negative evaluation supposed to excuse aggression? Merit makes its own opportunities; humanity in a civilized country like France is not a chained herd of slaves at the mercy of others' evaluation. Oppression and suffering are not to be raised up to the status of values. Valuing oppression, by rewarding the state of being oppressed or suffering, leads to more of the same. Valuing the advancement of civilization though, can lead to more of it; more of valuable life. It is of the essence that civilized countries stop valuing the state of being oppressed; it is not proper to reward such a state. That is what these refugees and rioters are asking for: that the good be forced to reward them for saying that they are the oppressed.

Tim said at November 10, 2005 9:02 AM:

I think the Vietnamese arrived in two waves. The first wave was small and consisted
mainly of college students that went to French schools. The second wave was far larger and consisted of the ethnic Chinese that fled the Communists after the fall of Saigon. Their economic and educational outcomes in France have been very different.

Invisible Scientist, I guess the point is that a country should select its immigrants carefully. If France had brought over mostly Algerian physicists and doctors in the 1960s, they would've assimilated more easily than laborers.

Rob said at November 10, 2005 9:08 AM:

Even taking the best and the brightest of loser countries, the children will regress to the mean. Import whites with 120 IQ's, their kids have 110 IQ's. Import Africans with 120 IQ's, their kids have IQ's below 100.

It would be cool to see the IQ's of second generation and 3rd generation africans in France. Nutritionally and educationally (in terms of opportunity), they should be close to european whites, or at least far above africans living in africa. Unlike US blacks, they won't be very mixed, we can see how much africans' environments supress their IQ's.

tom merle said at November 10, 2005 11:04 PM:

John Bolton:

I think you have misrepresented Brooks' column. Either that or you didn't read it (it now costs moola through Times Select). His point was that the North Afican youths have embraced the insecure hip hop culture of black America. He does a great job showing how this becomes the easy way out for kids who can't or won't try. A self-imposed form of racism if you will.

VietGuy7 said at April 5, 2006 2:24 PM:

Many here don't know what the heck they're talking about. I'm Vietnamese, as my namesake suggests.

Anyhoo, Vietnamese in France outperform native white French.

This is true in the US, Canada, Australia and pretty much anywhere Vietnamese are given a fair shake.

When Vietnamese first came as refugees, boat people, etc., they had a crime rate that was 1/2 that of whites in the respective countries that took them in. This was true for about the first dozen or so years.

The second dozen or so years, Vietnamese crime rates quadrupled to about twice that of whites in pretty much everywhere our diaspora went.

And how are we doing now? Probably back to 1/2 the crime rate of that of whites. Vietnamese immigrants followed the pattern that all immigrants to the US face that faced discrimination, i.e. the Irish, Italians, and even Jews. All groups that came poor, faced a lot of discrimination, and eventually pulled themselves out of their morass. Viets of course also had the chaos and trauma of the war, the horrendous conditions of the refugee camps, etc. Irish, Italians, and even poor Jewish immigrants all came poor, were discriminated against,and had horrific gang problems. Yes, that's right, even Jews had violent gangs, like the Purple Gang of Detroit that went toe to toe with the Italian mob, and of course Bugsy Segal who is the founding father of Las Vegas.

Yet, throughout all this time, the Viet diaspora always outperformed whites in education in ALL the respective countries. Median family income for Viets is about the same as that of whites in the US as the 2000 census showed, which was a shocking reversal of the 1990 numbers when dirt poor and largely uneducated refugees were still coming by the tens of thousands every year.

There are two key points her to take home: First, that liberal theory that bad environment creates bad outcomes is in large part very true. The second is that culture matters--contrary to what liberals deeply believe. Vietnamese have a strong resilient culture--despite the ravages of the war. Before the French came and plundered our country dry, we had a literacy rate that was far higher than that of Japan, Korea, China, and most of the European countries, America, etc. See Stanley Karnow, Vietnam: A History, p. 126 (or some nearby page.) & then research the literacy rates of the other contries I mentioned. In 1945, our literacy rate dropped to only 15%. Before the French, it was like 80%.

There is a reason why the North Vietnamese were able to out strategize the US, even though both sides were running a war of attrition. Try to figure it out, before you comment on Vietnamese.

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