2005 November 05 Saturday
Muslim Rebellion In France Reaches New High

Muslim violence is spreading from Paris Muslim suburbs across France.

AUBERVILLIERS, France -- Marauding youths torched nearly 900 vehicles, stoned paramedics and burned a nursery school in a ninth night of violence that spread from Paris suburbs to towns around France, police said Saturday. Authorities arrested more than 250 people overnight _ a sweep unprecedented since the unrest began.

Unrest, mainly arson, was reported in the northern city of Lille, in Toulouse in the southwest and in the Normandy city of Rouen. It was the second night that troubles spread beyond the difficult Paris suburbs.

So far we aren't seeing either organized small arms attacks or use of improvised explosive devices, at least not that I've seen mentioned. If either of those forms of attacks start happening then that'll be a very ominous turn of events. So far we are just seeing lots of angry north African Muslim Arab youths rioting and asserting control of their turf (which they mostly are already accustomed to controlling).

The north African Arab Muslim gangs are moving outside of their neighborhoods to attack less defended non-Muslim neighborhoods.

The violence is spreading to other French cities.

Thursday night into Friday morning, the violence spread to other parts of France for the first time. Attacks and fires were reported in Normandy on the northwest coast, Dijon in the central Burgundy region and Provence in the far south.

Firefighters are tired from the continous fires.

The French government has deployed 1,300 riot police in the streets of troubled communities. It has dispatched firefighters from around the Paris region to relieve their suburban counterparts, exhausted from the nightly demands of chasing hundreds of blazes.

In Baghdad a continuing story has been the attacks on vehicles on their way to the airport and the inability of the US military to totally stop these attacks. Well, the trains that run between Paris and the Charles de Gaulle International Airport pass through Muslim neighborhoods and the Muslims are attacking the airport trains.

Two trains connecting Paris and the airport were attacked Thursday, prompting engineers to run only one in five trains on Friday, rail officials said. The U.S. Embassy warned travelers Friday against taking trains to the airport, calling conditions in the troubled areas "extremely violent."

Imagine that. Muslim rebels could cut Paris off from international air travel.

Even supposedly hard line Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has previously promoted policies of appeasement toward Muslims.

The violent outbursts have been particularly sensitive for Sarkozy, the son of a Hungarian immigrant, who has advocated more rights for immigrants and has proposed changes in French law that would allow government buildings to be used as mosques. But he also has ordered major crackdowns on crime in poor communities where residents say police often harass them needlessly.

In an interview published in the newspaper Le Parisien Wednesday, Sarkozy said some of France's poorest towns are under "the rule of gangs, of drugs and of traffickers." He insisted his crime-fighting techniques would use both "firmness and justice."

A correspondent who is a French citizen tells me Sarkozy is not the firm defender of law and order that he pretends to be.

Sarkozy only speaks, rarely acts (and it's probably better like this). His nickname gives a very quick idea of how he is considered: "Sarkozislamist". Many people wonder if he is a "sous-marin" ("submarine" = someone acting for someone else undercover) of the Islamists.

To give you an idea of Sarkozy's way of dealing with problems: a few years ago, polls showed that "insecurity" had become a major concern for French people. By "insecurity" they meant: the fact that you cannot go in certains areas, that when you park your car you have a high risk of finding it destroyed when returning, that burglary is on the rise, etc. The Government told they had "understood the strong message from the population", and Sarkozy developed the concept of "road insecurity". So, as French were concerned with insecurity, they moved policemen out of dangerous area to the road side to control if people did not drive too fast, if they had fasten their security belt, etc. And he could announce a huge success in his "fight against insecurity"...

This French correspondent also says that the real differences between Villepin and Sarkozy are exaggerated.

The opposition between both is exaggerated by media on any affair, and for these riots, they are positioning themselves on opposite points. While Sarkozy uses strong words and speak about Republican Law, Villepin is trying to give an image of himself as compassionate, and is willing to give advantages to Muslims.

But actually, these are no more than words. When Sarkozy speak about being strong, he is not at all, and he has not done anything to put in practice what he tells.

Another problem with Sarkozy is that he is the one who has given a huge political power to Islamist by creating an official Muslim Organization.

Why hasn't the French government called out their Army to restore order? One possible reason for reticence: A substantial number of French Army soldiers are Muslims and their loyalty is in doubt.

A large chunk of France's ethnic immigrants come from the country's former North African colonies. Many have failed to break away from low-income housing projects, and experts say they are often marginalized in terms of educational opportunities and jobs.

Today, these ethnic immigrants represent between 10-20 percent of French soldiers, a figure that is growing, the French Institute report notes.

The French government tries to hide data about crime rates by race and other race-related information. So it is hard to know how many French soldiers are Muslim. I recently came across a claim that 23% of French military recruits are Muslim. Anyone come across better information on the ethnic make-up of the French military? That correspondent says the Muslim recruits are rebellious and religious and cultural clashes routinely play out in French military barracks. But a recent report by a French research institute improbably claims that the North Africans in the French military are just as patriotic toward France as are Frenchmen.

M. Bertossi reported that beur soldiers feel "just as patriotic as the rest" and are especially motivated in the struggle against terrorism, which they see as a slur on Islam. But the loyalty of the French-Islamic troops was "constantly questioned" by their officers and comrades.

While some Muslims undoubtedly feel the way Bertossi claims quite a few do not. I bet top French policy makers have doubts about whether French Army Muslim soldiers would obey orders if sent out to restore order in the Muslim suburbs around Paris.

The Brussels Journal web log has a lot of coverage of the effects of Muslim immigration on European society. The French government also doesn't want to call out the Army because to do so would be an admission of the scale of the problem.

The latter, however, is unlikely to happen. If the politicians bring in the army they are acknowledging what the policemen, the fire fighters and the ambulance drivers know but what the political and media establishment wants to hide from the people: that there is civil war brewing and that Europe is in for a long period of armed conflict. This is the last thing appeasing politicians want to do and so they have begun to criticise Sarkozy.

Of course by failing to quickly and ruthlessly put down the rebellion the French government is allowing it to spread so that it really ends up looking far larger. French media censorship can not hide all this from the French public.

That previous post also relays reports about "no-go" zones in Belgian and Swedish cities where Muslim immigrant groups keep out fire fighters, rescue vehicles, and even police.

Paris-based Iranian writer Amir Taheri reports that some Muslims want to create their own local sovereignties free from French sovereign government control.

Some are even calling for the areas where Muslims form a majority of the population to be reorganized on the basis of the "millet" system of the Ottoman Empire: Each religious community (millet) would enjoy the right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in accordance with its religious beliefs.

In parts of France, a de facto millet system is already in place. In these areas, all women are obliged to wear the standardized Islamist "hijab" while most men grow their beards to the length prescribed by the sheiks.

The radicals have managed to chase away French shopkeepers selling alcohol and pork products, forced "places of sin," such as dancing halls, cinemas and theaters, to close down, and seized control of much of the local administration.

A reporter who spent last weekend in Clichy and its neighboring towns of Bondy, Aulnay-sous-Bois and Bobigny heard a single overarching message: The French authorities should keep out.

"All we demand is to be left alone," said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local "emirs" engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.

This is the logical end result of immigration of incompatible religious and ethnic groups combined with multi-culturalism: the Balkanization or Lebanonization of a society.

Update: Saturday night featured more of the same with a record number of cars torched and attacks spreading into Paris.

The number of cars torched overnight - 1,295 across France - was the highest since the violence began Oct. 27, France-Info radio and other French media reported. Police, who earlier put the number at 918, did not immediately confirm the figure.

The night before, 900 vehicles were burned throughout the country.

By one measure the rioting is definitely spreading. Over half the burning cars Saturday night were not near Paris.

The number of cars torched overnight - 918 across France - was the highest yet since the unrest began Oct. 27. Of the cars burned, 545 were outside of the Paris region, the Interior Ministry said. The night before, 900 vehicles were burned across the country.

The count of overnight arson attacks, still incomplete, could rise further, the police said Sunday, adding that it did not include shops, gymnasiums, nursery schools and other targets attacked by bands of youths.

While some see signs of wider coordination of the attacks some think that rapid spread of information provides the main impetus for attacks.

Overall, the intelligence chief expressed doubt that there was much coordination among the marauding gangs in different towns or regions.

"In this era of Internet, text-messages, cellphones and television, everybody knows what's going on," said the chief, who asked to remain anonymous for security reasons. "The coordination comes mainly from the information revolution. The methods are similar because their social class is similar…. I don't justify it at all, but there is an element of social demand here, of social distress. The message is: Our life is [expletive], so we are going to destroy everything."

Multi-generational welfare families raise kids who become rioters.

Claude Chevallier, manager of the smouldering carpet depot, sees breakdown all around -- "on the family level, in schools and in civic life. Many youths have never seen their parents work and couldn't hold down a job if they got one."

Some bomb making youths have demonstrated their suitability for factory work.

Meanwhile six youths, all aged under 18, were last night arrested in a raid on a building in Evry, south of Paris, during which more than 100 bottles, gallons of fuel and hoods for hiding rioters' faces were also found.

Watch for signs that appeasement will become the preferred response.

The government has been embarrassed by its inability to quell the disturbances, which have called into question its unique integration model, which discourages recognizing ethnic, religious or cultural differences in favor of French unity. There is no affirmative action, for example, and religious symbols, like the Muslim veil, are banned in schools.

"The republican integration model, on which France has for decades based its self-perception, is in flames," the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung declared. An editorial in Germany's Süddeutsche Zeitung called the violence around Paris an "intifada at the city gates," a reference to the anti-Israeli uprising by Palestinians.

I expect to see France embrace racial preferences for Arabs and black Africans. The preferences will become a substantial tax on French businesses. But first the French need to find a way to stop the rioting. Deportations of rioters would be effective. But I do not think the French will do that.

Meanwhile and less noticed, Århus, Denmark has has seen some Muslim rioting as well.

The week of riots in poor neighbourhoods outside Paris, which has spread to 20 towns, has been well covered by the international media.

Not so for Århus, Denmark.

“Nothing of it has penetrated to the English-language sections of Danish media,” laments the Viking Observer.

The Observer took the trouble to translate into English the following from Danish Jyllands-Posten:“Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row been the scene of the worst riots in Århus for years. “This area belongs to us,” the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack.

See here for more on the Århus, Denmark riots.

As long as the rioters do not start building improvised explosive devices to start killing people I expect the French elite will choose appeasement as their top response. Though if the French electorate gets mad enough the National Front could make big enough electoral gains to make more punitive policy responses such as deportations possible. But my guess is that Western Europe is not ready to turn away from demographic suicide.

70% of the immigrants are north African Arabs.

In France, about 70 percent of immigrants and their second- and third-generation offspring are Arabs from Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia; recent years have also seen influxes of black Africans from former French colonies even farther south.

One significant change, is that until a decade or so ago, immigrants proudly referred to themselves as ''French Arabs," ''French Algerians," ''French Moroccans," and so on. Today, in a sign of alienation, they typically call themselves ''Muslims," taking religion, often the radical brand, as their strongest identity.

Their identities are shifting away from feelings of being French. Well, if they do not see themselves as French then deportation won't exactly remove them from their French homeland, now will it?

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2005 November 05 12:25 PM  Immigration Culture Clash


Comments
Mark said at November 5, 2005 1:53 PM:

So people who have emigrated from countries where the average IQ is 85 can't seem to find work and live in uncivilized neighborhoods with high crime rates?

I blame the evil white man.*

*Technically it’s his fault for hating the fact that he’s white and male.

Invisible Scientist said at November 5, 2005 3:10 PM:

Randall Parker,
You said:
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Why hasn't the French government called out their Army to restore order? One possible reason for reticence: A substantial number of French Army soldiers are Muslims and their loyalty is in doubt."
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If 20 % of the French soldiers are Muslims (presumably native French speakers if they are soldiers), how about
the French Police officers? Given that almost 10 % of the French population is Muslim, isn't the percentage of Muslims in the French Police force at least 10 %?

In any case, as the separation between the rich and poor increases, it is almost certain that this tension will increase.

In particular, if the United States enters a recession in a couple of years, this would certainly push Europe and posssibly many other countries into recession ( because in addition to higher interest rates in the United States, there will be government subsidy cutbacks for the majority of Americans, diminishing their buying power, not to mention a possible consumption tax which will also diminish their buying potential.)

daveg said at November 5, 2005 5:04 PM:

One of your best posts ever, bringing togther lots of interesting sources.

raj said at November 5, 2005 7:05 PM:

why don't we all sit back and watch the show. if the french people tolerate this level of illegal muslim immigration, why should we be surprised as to the result? the rest of the world should get ready for a europe that no longer is as saturated by native europeans in about 50yrs. wonder if tourist levels to the UK and France will be as high if the coutries are so heavily Islamic?

Randall Parker said at November 5, 2005 9:02 PM:

Invisible,

My guess is that France is like the United States in that one has to have a higher level of education to get a job with the police than to join the army. So I expect far fewer North Africans serve in the French police than in the French military.

Sokol085 said at November 6, 2005 1:00 AM:

Someone sad once that as percentage of alien culture reach some 20% of locals the area should be turned out like a ghetto. So everyone looks now the first signs of the process. With the birth rate of Muslims it’s not so long to get the point and plunge into the civil war. May be 10 or 15 years…

John S Bolton said at November 6, 2005 4:26 AM:

If French officals are avid for dictatorship, and all the way to the top, they can have civil war today. If the moslems would not continue their uprising before a show of force from the French military, it would still be easy to provoke them by killing their leaders, and a number of young rioters as they run off. A war of religion, with ethnic hostility complementing it, has great potential, compared to the class war that scholars used to insist was inevitable. Chirac doesn't have the ruthlessness to develop this situation, one might assume. The civil war in the Ivory Coast is likely about to get quite hot, as French troops are needed in France. Moslems will likely commence an offensive there, and be beaten back with great casualties. So much for France as a power capable of intervening far beyond its borders; they now join Spain and Portugal's place in the military scheme of things, apart from their nuclear weapons.

FriendlyFire said at November 6, 2005 4:52 AM:

It has happened before in the past many times. The rise and fall of empires, colonisation and imperialism.

"The only thing we learn from history is that we dont learn from history"

In 1913 The Austrians were under threat by what they considered slav's and there uncivilisaed culture. Where the Austrains felt swamped by the growing populations of non-native austrians, The resulting conflict in ideology, poltical policy lead directly to social warfare and ultimtely open war.

I have no doubt that the "harderning" of EU immigration policy will either succesfully allow it to assimilate immigrants such as they have done with smaller numbers or if it fails lead to the next major war.

Invisible Scientist said at November 6, 2005 5:13 AM:

It is well known that any tribe initially tries to assimilate a small and exotic minorities that look interesting, but once the minority fails to get assimilated, then the tribe actually tries to destroy the minority.

Additionally, since the separation between the white classes within Europe is increasing, a race war might also look like a good diversion for some politicians.

But seriously, let us visualize the statistics: although only 10 % of France is Muslim, the percentage of Muslim children is probably over 20 % over there, and the number of Muslim infants in France will probably reach 30 % in a few years. This means that after 20 more years, at least 35 % of the voters in France, will be Muslim. Although only 5 % of UK is Muslim, once again by looking at the percentage of infants, we can probably extrapolate that more than 15 % of the voters in the UK will be Muslims in less than 20 years. Probably similar statistics will be true in Germany, because some of the German born children of foreign workers do get citizenship, and so maybe in another 15 years, at least 10 % of the voters will be Musliims in Germany also. Additionally, at least 10 of the Russian population in Moscow is Muslim, and apparently they are gaining ground because this minority over there doesn't have the disadvantage of drinking vodka.

This means that an ethnic war is guaranteed in less than 20 years, possibly much earlier.

But even without war, if this tension in Europe gets worse, we can also have to foresee the possibility of another oil embargo against the West, becaust the going ons in Europe are being watched very carefully by Muslim nations...

Zoroaster said at November 6, 2005 7:17 AM:

The moment the automatic birth citizenship has been granted to these non-Euroepan and obviously anti-European hordes, that very day the France, Germany, Holland went flushing down the toilet. In Britain it has started even earlier.
The master plane is to have another war on European soil while those that caused it (like #1 and #2) safely snug away in New York, Tel Aviv, Washington DC, CNN Atlanta, CBS Hollywood, MTV London etc etc etc.
Thanks, Jews!

Marvin said at November 6, 2005 8:30 AM:

This story has to be updated constantly. Most people expected the riots to die down after a few days. Instead they have picked up steam. Now the police have found a gasoline bomb making factory in South Paris. What else will they find, and will it be on time to slow down the violence?

France and western Europe sit on the brink of the precipice. An orderly western society cannot function when it contains a large disorderly minority that refuses to accept the authority of the larger society. France has built this house and must learn to live in it, and somehow keep it from burning down. There won't be any mass deportations except for the organizers of the chaos. Most of western Europe is in the same predicament. Leftist idiocy has brought them to this.

They are too deeply invested in the idiocy to turn back. Rather than making their institutions more rational they are forced to make compromise within compromise, until the entire edifice resembles a Rube Goldberg device. Watch Villepin compromise, watch him grovel.

Randall Parker said at November 6, 2005 8:36 AM:

Zoroaster,

You are wrong to blame the Jews for the immigration policies of so many different European governments. There are few Jews in many European countries. For example, the Danes and Swedes screwed themselves without need of any other influences.

This is what is interesting about Europe: So many different countries with different Euro ethnicities pursued such foolish immigration policies.

Marvin,

Was leftist idiocy the only cause of this folly? I figure vey capitalistic businesses that wanted cheap labor were a big cause. Certainly that was the case in Germany.

postsoviet said at November 6, 2005 10:01 AM:

Randall Parker,

I am not so sure it was cheap labor. Is there any demostrable proof of French/European agreement/appeasement with MidEast oil exporters thus supplying European industry? The oil embargo of the 1970s and the European reaction may be relevant.

zOroaster,

Quarrelsome? Leftist inferiority complex? Hip, witty and cool but frustrated? Assuming that you live psychologically in Iran, Egypt or China and have severe internet censorship and threat of imprisonment (but post here) I'll post this link for any others:

3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/ 2005/08/a_new_method_of.html

Paris welcomes Islam ( The world's only minority ideology with no national roots in the nations that produced it and no link to the mainstream media which promotes it under pseudonyms and synonyms.)

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2005/11/once-in-france.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008856.php


Randall Parker said at November 6, 2005 10:10 AM:

postsoviet,

The Pakistanis were brought to Britain to work in the textile industry. The Turks were brought to Germany to work in a large assortment of industries. Money was a motivation for both the employers and for those who came.

In France's case surely employers must have seen Arab labor as cheap. How many of the Arabs came to work? Surely some did. How many came to get on welfare or to escape their government in their home country that perhaps had it out for them?

I've heard the argument that the French brought in Arabs as part of an oil deal. But that does not make sense. Most of the Arabs in France came from countries such as Morocco and Algeria which have little oil.

Marvin said at November 6, 2005 10:14 AM:

Cheap labor? Well they certainly have it, if they could only get them to work. But why should they work when they can get adequate social benefits without working? Most people will not work just for the fun of it.

Capitalism will attract cheap labor from the third world. Then, when the economy goes into a down cycle, which all economies do, it is socialism that keeps the unneeded cheap labor in the ghettoes, plotting mischief in their ample spare time. Leftism blunts the natural human desire to better oneself through work. Why work when you can wank? Socialism breeds wankers.

Goober said at November 6, 2005 10:52 AM:

There are few Muslim policemen in the Paris area, but many Corsicans. Corsicans also have a healthy representation among criminals. Which may be a reason for the riots.

After the Newark riots it was argued Blacks were upset because crime beyond a certain level was controlled by Whites, and White politicians and police officers made sure it stayed that way. So ambitious Black criminals couldn't advance in their chosen career. Just imagine what the African or Arab thug is up against. Corsicans, Albanians, Serbs, Armenians, Vietmanese, 'Russians', etc.
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Here's an idea: The Republicans enjoy their current popularity in large part due to Black riots. And: The lack of a complete Republican majority is Republican weakness when it comes to race.

60% of the French self-identify as working-class. No illusions when it comes to who will pay the bill for affirmative-action and other riot insurance premiums. Right now France is a meritocracy. The exam for X, and other serious universities, is entirely in math. Unlike in the U.S. a working class White kid applying to the French equivalant of an Ivy or Stanford is not punished by legacy admissions, the 8% set-aside for both Black and Hispanic applicants, native-grown (yet still alien) Asians who paid for that perfect SAT ($1,750 at current rates), and foreign Asians who can pay full tuition price.

Perform, you're in. It does happen. A lot. Compare that to the fact 50% of college-age non-Jewish American Whites with IQs above 130 do not attend college. 'Do you want freedom fries with that?'

But the French economy is so awful! No, it's not. A positive balance of trade. A higher standard of living than the U.S. Yes, the real unemployment rate is high, but so is the real U.S. unemployment rate (the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics surveys 50,000 people each month, only a fraction of those who do not have a job are counted as being unemployed, sort of like there's 'headline' inflation and 'core' inflation).

No one likes to talk about FN. You know FN, that's the party 40% of the French electorate has voted for at least once. That controls Orange, the safest city in all of France. And, drumroll, now receives a majority of working-class votes.

The only thing standing between FN and membership in a ruling coalition (and a solution to the problems under discussion) is the B'nai B'rith pledge. This pledge, which all 'respectable' parties made, prevents any cooperation with FN. Thanks Jews, indeed.

But why do some (many?, lots?) Jews support FN? Even are active as candidates and officers? Well, you do have Jewish Republicans.
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Germany is occupied by 70,000 U.S. troops. Which means Germany can make no decisions about immigration without American approval. Turks are in Germany because America wanted it. Thanks America.

Randall Parker said at November 6, 2005 10:59 AM:

Goober,

I do not believe this assertion of yours:

Compare that to the fact 50% of college-age non-Jewish American Whites with IQs above 130 do not attend college.

That is extremely unlikely.

Also, attribution of the presence of Turks in Germany to US decisions is absurd. German businesses wanted cheap labor. The German government figured this was okay because the labor would be temporary. They were wrong. But the motive was of local origin and the policy decision was made for local reasons by Germans.

Rabid Likudnik said at November 6, 2005 12:32 PM:

Now this French rebellion is entering its 10th day, the same length as the Israeli Arab October 2000 riots.
This is a good time to compare the timeline of these two events. The differences are depressingly predictable, but may still be interesting. Not just the amount of force used by the French police vs. the Israeli police, but also the responses of French vs. Israeli Jewish civilian bystanders. I don't know if you can find a good source in English, however.

annoyed said at November 6, 2005 2:05 PM:

Goober,
What's all this resentment about Asians "buying" perfect SAT scores? To the extent that an SAT score can in fact be purchased (which is in itself debatable), wealthy whites have as much access to these scores as wealthy Asians do. If anything, more access.

And for heaven's sake, don't resent people for doing well. Non-whites just can't win with you, can they? If they're not doing well, then they're a burden on society, innately inferior and incapable of keeping pace with the superior 'natives', blah blah. If they're doing well, it's just because they're "buying" SAT scores, evilly conspiring to take the spots of working class whites by working hard and maintaining strong families, etc.

I'm all for carefully regulating immigration so as to cherry-pick those individuals who are the most educated, least likely to need public assistance, most likely to share the values of liberal democracy, etc etc. But if being of western european descent takes precedence over any of the afore-mentioned criteria, then just admit that you're a white nationalist. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, as long as you're not blaming other racial groups for nepotistically "preferring their own" either, or resenting them simultaneously for doing well and for doing poorly.


scottynx said at November 6, 2005 2:26 PM:

Zoroaster says:
[Thanks, Jews!]

Jews are a high IQ group that will naturally be prominent in any field of accomplishment that rewards intelligence, including both movements you likely approve of and movements you likely don't approve of (including left-wing intellectuals, capitalist intellectuals, scientists, russian oligarchs, the list goes on and on). Zoroaster, i'm sure you mean well, but to be frank, please keep your anti-semitism away from the immigration reduction movement. You only tar and feather that cause. How many more votes do you think Le Pen and the National Front would have recieved if they hadn't had reputations as anti-semites? My guess is a lot. You just have to realize that the vast majority of people in the West deplore anti-semitism and regard anyone practicing it or associated with it as a nut. Keeping the West from turning into Bangladesh should be more important to you than petty anti-semitism or white nationalism, two things that will probably not convince Westerners to stop the mass-immigration disaster.

Invisible Scientist said at November 6, 2005 4:47 PM:

There is something I don't understand: Did some of the commentators above insinuate that Jews were responsible for facilitating the immigration of non-whites to America and Europe for the purpose of diluting the Aryan race? The Nazis certainly claimed that the fact that the many of the French soldiers who occupied Germany after World War I were Black, was really a Jewish conspiracy for the purpose of diluting the German race. Was the hiring of the Turkish workers as low wage workers in German coal mines and many other industries, a Zionist-American plot to reduce the purity of the Aryan race?

Invisible Scientist said at November 6, 2005 4:56 PM:

One ramification of the Paris incidents, is that in the future, the French government might veto the admission of Turkey into the European Union due to the change of psychology. As a result, Turkey, which is a very reliable member of NATO, can gradually leave the American sphere of influence. This can have catastrophic consequences for the United States, both geopolitically and militarily.

postsoviet said at November 6, 2005 5:22 PM:

Randall Parker,

I was searching for information on Europe's reaction to the "oil embargo of 1973" and found an interesting article (link below). It completely takes me away from my point but it's relevant to what I wrote.

Most of the articles appearing from a search, on the '73 embargo, imply that the embargo was a driving force on prices and shortages. The CATO article points to; US domestic policy, Oil Industry reacting to that policy and to an inconsequential embargo in 1973.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-17-03-2.html

I stand tentatively corrected.

I was trying to point to international arrangements as the groundwork for predictable problems while also representing desirable industrial benefit. Bad tit for tat. I am not pointing to short-sightedness but of "carelessness" to deliberately avoid using a more volatile term (and you can have the pun at no extra charge.)

I'm leaning toward things of an obvious nature that "cannot" be demostrably proven true "but" cannot be demonstrably proven false.

Having already found contradiction in what I believed about the '73 embargo it would be difficult to continue. So I won't write anything more about what has led to Frances' new micro civil war and the fact that it stems from from a highly promoted ideology and the enormous ambiguity of world reaction to it. No press is bad press.

Randall Parker said at November 6, 2005 6:24 PM:

postsoviet,

In order to really screw up on a large scale usually multiple factions are needed each pursuing their own perceived (though often incorrectly perceived) interests. Given enough factions pushing in a harmful direction a first class mess of the sort that the French have gotten themselves into then becomes possible.

Look at the immigrants. They were primarily motivated by money. Wages are much lower in northern Africa. Even welfare is a really big incentive for people to enter and live in Europe. Consider welfare payments in France:

The despair in these housing projects (called cités here) has been mitigated by better schools than those that serve poor, minority districts in the United States (education is financed nationally in France, rather than through local tax rolls) and by extensive welfare programs. Even when employed, a family of four living in a government-subsidized apartment typically pays only a few hundred dollars a month in rent and can receive more than $1,200 a month in various subsidies. The unemployed receive more. For all, health care and education are free.

Why did the French government let them in? Some obvious possibilities:

1) Business interests want cheap labor. Surely that is a very big reason why the US lets in dumb Mexicans.

2) Leftists see immigration as a way for evil white folks to atone for the sin of colonialism.

3) Leftists saw immigrants as potential future Leftist voters. This is a big reason why the Democrats support Hispanic immigration into the United States.

4) Leftists see immigrants as potential rabble rousers who'd upset the entrenched capitalistic order.

5) The entire French elite assumed they could control the immigrants and use them to bulk up the size of their population in competition with the United States. Make a larger France. Could they be that stupid? Not sure.

You can go up to the level of complex Machiavellian intrigue between states. But look at more basic interests first.

Dean Bocobo said at November 6, 2005 8:08 PM:

I think there's room for optimism: maybe Paris is Europe's Pearl Harbor.

Randall Parker said at November 6, 2005 8:32 PM:

Dean,

The elites of France and other Western countries have already begun babbling their standard rationalizations. I fully expect them to recommend massive racial preferences as the solution and to proclaim that Islam is compatible with Western liberalism. Of course they will ignore average IQ differences between ethnic groups.

Goober said at November 7, 2005 8:18 AM:

Randall: According to 'The Bell Curve' it is true. Turks or Turds? Invade my house, occupy it for 60 years, use the carpet for a toilet, and tell me I asked for it.

Annoyed: Wealthy Whites? Oh, you mean Jews. And you betcha, Jews can buy whatever they want, or at least more than what the cattle can buy in flyoverville. Note my comments about France being a meritocracy. America is not.

Japan has a comprehensive entrance exam for college admissions which takes three days to complete. Scores are ranked and the cut off line for admission is enforced. America has a two hour aptitude test which is only part of the college admissions equation. Asians (and everyone else) are favored over Whites by admission committees.

Bull? 80% of college-age Americans with IQs above 130 are non-Jewish Whites. So we can expect about 80% of elite university students to be non-Jewish Whites. Can't we? Sorry, but the actual percentage is much lower. Why not take a guess as to what it really is. Three quotas shy of a dollar.

Rather than it being a matter of non-Whites not being able to win with me it's more a matter of Whites not being able to win with non-Whites. Don't the riots prove exactly that? Generous welfare and a lenient justice system prove Whites are weak and fearful. Crack heads and enforce the law (can't have one without the other) can only mean you be a racist.

Z: FN could be as pure as the driven snow and organized Hebrewy would still fight him. And just where is this anti-jubeeism you speak of? Please make the effort, however feeble, to justify what you're saying.

IV: Better to ask why every White country is faced with massive non-White immigration. And why every Jew-owned media outlet promotes and celebrates the invasion.

No Jews = No Immigration

Goober is laughing now, and later said at November 7, 2005 9:41 AM:

Not That It Matters:

'Scooter' Libby is a Jew.

Hmmmmm, Jews lied about the absolute necessity for America's invasion into Iraq.

And lied about the absolute necessity for America to become more diverse.

Is it possible Jews dislike, even hate, America?

Randall Parker said at November 7, 2005 9:49 AM:

Goober,

You are just spewing made up false facts that suit your fantasy view that the Jews are at fault for everything.

As for your 130 IQ cut-off: I suspect for Harvard and MIT the average student is probably 135 or 140 IQ. The ratio of non-Jewish white to Jewish for high IQs is a lot lower than 4 to 1.

Whites are certainly discriminated against by Harvard in favor of blacks and Hispanics. But I seriously doubt that Harvard discriminates against non-Jewish whites in favor of Jews.

I've already pointed to European countries with little Jewish influence that pursued immigration policies just as stupid as were pursued by countries that have larger Jewish populations. You ignore this.

Goober is laughing now, and later said at November 7, 2005 6:05 PM:

Lot lower? Perhaps you imagine Jews produce 50% of all high IQ Americans, defined as the top 1% of all Americans? 3 milllion high IQ Americans, 50% of whom are Jewish. Which means every fourth Jew has an IQ in the top 1%. Sure.

The largest media groups in Germany and Sweden are Jewish owned. And beyond ownership Jewish participation in media is far out of proportion to their representation in the general population in all European media (including Eastern Europe). How many Jews does it take to destroy Europe? Not many. After all, it only took 6 million American Jews to bring about the Immigration Reform Act of 1965.

Tell me, are you a supporter of Gusinsky, Berezovsky and all the other filth that looted Russia? I'll bet you are. Funny how such a small number of Jews can steal so much from Russians. Because the Russians are so stupid, right?

Without Jews what would we lack? The NAACP. The ACLU. Communism. Third world immigration. Forced integration. Abortion on demand. Gun control. Affirmative action. The Iraq War.

How the Jews have blessed us! No wonder Randy worships them so.


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