2005 August 18 Thursday
On Muslim Honor Killings In Germany

Muslim women in Germany get killed by their own families if they act too much like Germans.

In the past four months, six Muslim women living in Berlin have been brutally murdered by family members. Their crime? Trying to break free and live Western lifestyles. Within their communities, the killers are revered as heroes for preserving their family dignity. How can such a horrific and shockingly archaic practice be flourishing in the heart of Europe? The deaths have sparked momentary outrage, but will they change the grim reality for Muslim women?

If people think Western ways are so corrupt that they'd kill their daughter for following these ways then why are these people allowed to live in the West?

Hatin's crime, it appears, was the desire to lead a normal life in her family's adopted land. The vivacious 23-year-old beauty, who was raised in Berlin, divorced the Turkish cousin she was forced to marry at age 16. She also discarded her Islamic head scarf, enrolled in a technical school where she was training to become an electrician and began dating German men. For her family, such behavior represented the ultimate shame -- the embrace of "corrupt" Western ways. Days after the crime, police arrested her three brothers, ages 25, 24 and 18. The youngest of the three allegedly bragged to his girlfriend about the Feb. 7 killing. At her funeral, Hakin's Turkish-Kurdish parents draped their only daughter's casket in verses from the Koran and buried her according to Muslim tradition. Absent of course, were the brothers, who were in jail.

German cities have ethnic groups who are living in their own cultures isolated from German society. Communications technology enables cultural cocooning. The melting pot is broken.

The problem is that much of this insular and ultra-religious world is out of public view, often hidden in inner-city apartments where the most influential links to the outside world are satellite dishes that receive Turkish and Arabic television and the local mosque. Tens of thousands of Turkish women live behind these walls of silence, in homes run by husbands many met on their wedding day and ruled by the ever-present verses of the Koran. In these families, loyalty and honor are elevated virtues and women are treated little better than slaves, unseen by society and often unnoticed or ignored by their German neighbors. To get what they want, these women have to run. They have to change their names, their passports, even their hair color and break with the families they often love, but simply can no longer obey.

It is hard to imagine how new laws protecting womens' rights can fix this situation. Most of the women are too afraid to try to break free of their families. Their positions will remain secret from the larger society. Read the whole article. It makes for sober reading.

What is the point of letting in people who isolate themselves and create a society within a society? These Muslims do not come to Germany to join German society. They come to get money while maintaining their own separate and incompatible culture.

A correspondent observes:

Pity Germans don't have the will of the British in India. Sir Charles Napier, conqueror & governor of Sindh (1843-47) and Commander-in-Chief of India (1849-1851) observed:

"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

A few public hangings would sober up these Islamists rather nicely. Might help with assimilation as well.

Stop Islamic immigration and deport all the Muslims who do not have citizenship. Then start killing those who try to enforce their culture by killing and enslaving their daughters. The Germans should kill (preferably by slow painful and very public means) the parents who order their sons to kill their daughters. When the "international community" complains then they should just say they are expressing their local indigenous culture.

Members of Western societies need to decide that they have cultures and values that are worth defending. They need to decide reject the sort of liberalism that amounts to a cultural suicide pact.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2005 August 18 12:32 AM  Immigration Culture Clash

John S Bolton said at August 18, 2005 3:35 AM:

Tolerance of aggression leads to more and worse aggression; civilization requires that these countries become continually less tolerant of the moslem outrage. The world cannot live as one, and it is evil to try to. Officials tell us they can make everyone get along, as if they were fit to rule all the world as one country; but getting along with aggressors is much worse than remaining in implacable conflict with them. How is it that officialdom and professoriate do not know this? The answer may be that they do indeed know it, and hope to gain destructive power over the good, by forcing tolerance of aggression, especially by the most incompatible of foreigners.

Stephen said at August 18, 2005 5:15 PM:

Randall vomited forth the following bile:

The Germans should kill (preferably by slow painful and very public means) the parents who order their sons to kill their daughters.

And then he juxtaposed the bile with:

Members of Western societies need to decide that they have cultures and values that are worth defending.

This caused me to wonder whether Randall considers torture to be a western value...

FriendlyFire said at August 18, 2005 5:20 PM:

First off It is ironic given the recent history (including celeberation of VE Day)
The legacy of the Holocaust and its stark lessons, Having said this Germany should be allowed to move on to discuess the holocaust, intolerence and immigration openly. In a way that is not label anti-semmetic, Once this has been done then Germany can pass meaninful and effective laws.

Randall Parker said at August 18, 2005 6:25 PM:


Torture a Western value? Certainly the Spanish Inquisition thought so. I suspect the Romans did as well.

I'm all for protecting the rights of innocents. That seems like a very Western value. I figure people who will kill their own daughters have forfeited their rights and need to be made examples of in order to protect other daughters. Painful deaths of killers would protect others from being killed.

Stephen said at August 19, 2005 5:02 AM:

Randall, in the honour-killing scenario there aren't any rational thinkers to consider the consequence of their actions. I remember being in upper Egypt once, right on the Sudanese border. A daughter had eloped with the son of a family in a different tribe - a feud ensued and 20 murders later the daughter was found and put to death by her remaining family. This made about the fourth news item.

Deterence doesn't stop that kind of blood lust.

mariana said at August 25, 2005 2:52 AM:

When you really stop to think about how violent (Can you say Hatfields and McCoys?) and racist they are, and then think about how common cousin marriage is in the ME, they start to appear more and more like deranged hillbillies from hell.

BTW the Muslims who were eventually evicted from Spain ran their own inquisitions in Spain years before the Christians got to stage one. Torture's not specific to any one culture, unfortunately.

mariana said at August 25, 2005 2:53 AM:

I've been increasingly wondering if there are any lessons to be learned in this conflict from the North's treatment of the South during the Civil War and after.

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