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2005 March 25 Friday
More Bad News On Hispanic Gangs And High School Graduation Rates

Newsweek has an article about the Central American (primarily El Salvadorean) gang Mara Salvatrucha or MS-13 which is spreading out across America in increasing numbers.

Composed of mostly Salvadorans and other Central Americans—many of them undocumented—the gang has a uniquely international profile, with an estimated 8,000 to 10,000 members in 33 states in the United States (out of more than 700,000 gang members overall), and tens of thousands more in Central America. It's considered the fastest-growing, most violent and least understood of the nation's street gangs—in part because U.S. law enforcement has not been watching as closely as it might have. As authorities have focused their attention on the war against terrorism, MS-13 has proliferated. In the FBI's D.C. field office, the number of agents dedicated to gang investigations declined by 50 percent.

The article says MS-13 is found even in such places as Boise Idaho and Omaha Nebraska. Yes, Hispanic immigration can ruin even the plains states and the states in the Rockies.

Oscar Bonilla of El Salvador's National Council for Public Security says MS-13 in the United States may become as well organized and therefore more effective as it is in El Salvador.

If MS-13 is seeking to create a national command in the United States, it would be emulating its model in El Salvador. There, says Oscar Bonilla, director of the National Council for Public Security, the gang is "highly organized and disciplined ... with semi-clandestine structures and vertical commands." As a result, its criminal operations are all the more efficient and pervasive. The administration of President Tony Saca has responded with a super mano dura ("super hard hand") policy, reforming the penal code to facilitate gang prosecutions. "We're not dealing with Boy Scouts or bums," Saca told NEWSWEEK. "We're dealing with true assassins, rapists."

To native American citizens I ask this question: Hasn't mass Hispanic immigration become a case of Monty Pythonesque "Getting Hit Over The Head Lessons"? Why inflict a massive killer gang on ourselves? And, yes, we are inflicting it on ourselves by allowing our elites to leave our borders uncontrolled and our immigration laws poorly enforced. It is possible to stop 99.99% of illegal immigration and to deport the vast bulk of the illegals that are already here. Just one year of government costs for treating illegal aliens would pay for a border barrier with Mexico. Stopping the influx would lower the rates of rape, attempted murder, murder, assault, robbery, and a long list of other crimes that Hispanics commit at higher rates than whites.

Crime is just one part of the Hispanic immigration problem. Another big part is their group's abysmal failure in our school systems. In the Los Angeles Unified School District only 39% of Hispanics graduate from high school.

The state has reported a graduation rate of 87 percent, but the Harvard researchers found an overall graduation rate of 71 percent for 2002. Graduation rates for non-Asian minority students were significantly lower, with a 57 percent rate for blacks, 60 percent for Latinos and 52 percent for American Indians. For minority males, the figures were even worse: 50 percent for blacks, 54 percent for Latinos and 46 percent for American Indians.

In the LAUSD, just 39 percent of Latino students and 47 percent of African-American students graduate in four years.

The problem is not unique to LA.

Six of the state’s largest ten school districts graduate less than half of their Latino students: Los Angeles, San Diego, Fresno, Oakland, Sacramento City and San Bernardino City.

75% of Los Angeles students are Hispanic. So their school system is going to be a permanent basket case. Even if LAUSD was to improve to the point of approaching national Hispanic high school graduation rates that would not help much. Nationwide only 47% of Hispanic males graduate from high school. Heavily Hispanic Texas now has the lowest high school graduation rate in the country.

Contrast those Hispanic and black LA graduation figures for 2002 with another study that looked at graduation rates in states in 1998. States with few blacks or Hispanics have very high high school graduation rates.

Looking at statewide numbers, Iowa led the way with 93 percent of its public high school students graduating in 1998, followed by Wisconsin and North Dakota (both 87 percent), and Nebraska, Pennsylvania and Vermont (all 85 percent). Minnesota, Illinois, Connecticut, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Montana also were at 80 percent or better.

America does not have a happy melting pot future. The wealth gap between the races is widening. Some argue that this situation will fix itself as immigrant groups improve in later generations. However, all evidence supports the argument that "Immigrants Do Not Improve Academically In Later Generations". A previous post takes this information from a Samuel P. Huntington article in Foreign Policy. Check out the abysmal performance of later generations of Mexican immigrants to the United States.

Update: One argument made by defenders of massive immigration from Mexico is that the initial immigrants may not be well educated but the successive generations of their children and grandchildren will eventually approach US norms. Well, no. The most stunning table in Huntington's article shows little improvement in education attainment across generations of Mexican immigrants.

Education of Mexican Americans by Generation (1989-90)

First Second Third Fourth All Americans *
No high school degree (%) 69.9 51.5 33.0 41.0 23.5
High school degree (%) 24.7 39.2 58.5 49.4 30.4
Post high school degree (%) 5.4 9.3 8.5 9.6 45.1
* Except Mexican Americans, 1990

Look at the bottom row showing post-high school achievement even into the fourth generation. This is happening in spite of the fact that racial quotas for college admissions used by so many colleges and universities have long applied not just to blacks but to Hispanics as well. This is a stunning result. I honestly expected a higher figure just because enough universities have enough dubious departments with low standards that it is possible to get a bachelor's degree without studying much difficult material.

It is extremely irresponsible for America's elites to continue to support mass Hispanic immigration.

Note: Thanks to TangoMan of the Gene Expression blog for a heads-up on the Newsweek article.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2005 March 25 01:41 PM  Immigration Societal Decay


Comments
Derek Copold said at March 25, 2005 2:55 PM:

Pointing these facts out to brain-dead Americans is pretty akin to being beat on the head as well, but still it should be done.

Dimitar Vesselinov said at March 25, 2005 3:14 PM:

The Aryan Brotherhood vs. MS-13? Bets?
"How the Aryan Brotherhood became the most murderous prison gang in America."
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/index.ssf?040216fa_fact6

John Robb says:
"We do have a criminal justice problem in the US. We have more people in prison (~2 million) than the rest of the world combined (if I am wrong about this, please let me know). A system of that size is ungovernable and is clearly not producing the results we seek."
http://jrobb.mindplex.org/2005/03/05.html#a6122

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy

Stuka said at March 25, 2005 5:19 PM:

Irresponsible?! Hell, the power elite's support for mass third world immigration is treasonous. Let's be honest here.

crush41 said at March 25, 2005 10:59 PM:

"We do have a criminal justice problem in the US. We have more people in prison (~2 million) than the rest of the world combined (if I am wrong about this, please let me know). A system of that size is ungovernable and is clearly not producing the results we seek."
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Tell John he's wrong. China and Russia combined top 2 million prisoners, and it's likely that the official prisoner count put forth by China (and Russia) is grossly underreported. The numbers here should be higher, but gangs like those mentioned congregate in sanctuary cities where law enforcement can't go after them for being illegal until they commit other heinous gang-related crime. Once caught, it should be into token economy prisons where hard labor is the only way to eat and eventually be deported. That stops illegal immigration as well as militarizing the borders, and it works over native criminals as well. Plus, it deflates the need for unskilled labor while providing a bare-bottom wage rate.

PacRim Jim said at March 26, 2005 11:09 PM:

No tolerance. Gang membership + illegal alien status = automatic, instantaneous deportation.

Engineer-Poet said at March 27, 2005 7:27 AM:

Automatic, sure.  Instantaneous?  That just lets them sneak right back in and get to business.

For the first offense, give them two years in an internment camp in the desert of New Mexico, plus an RFID chip.  Hold them with no messages in or out besides Red Cross status to their family, to disconnect them from the gang power structure.  THEN deport them.  Second offense is five years consecutive with the penalty for anything else they've done, and anyone who helps catch them gets a fat bounty; the law should consider deadly force against them to be prima facie justifiable.

I'd like to consider Israeli tactics against the organizations on their home turf if we get third offenders, but the likelihood of Al Qaeda-style responses against American citizens makes me think that we should let them step over that line first.

Richard said at March 27, 2005 8:41 AM:

I read with interest the New Yorker piece. In the words of Richard Pryor, "I'm sure glad we have penitentiarys in this country." Whatever thier faults, they are a better value for the tax buck than social security or sending a team to hunt for wmds.

Brenda said at March 27, 2005 1:15 PM:

Excellent explanation of what open-borders anarchy has brought us.

The scholarly thing is simply not a Hispanic value. Chinese and Vietnamese immigrant kids attend the same schools and then graduate and go on to college.

What's additionally scary is how rapidly California has gone from a paradise to a third-world slum, and now the whole country is threatened. The animated map of LA County showing Hispanic population growth is instructive...

http://www.usc.edu/schools/sppd/research/census2000/race_census/racecontours/ethington/ethington_maps5.htm

John S Bolton said at March 27, 2005 2:55 PM:

This information really destroys the pollyannaish assimilation propaganda that we are continually given. If assimilation is good then each increment of preassimilation is an improvement over the last, though we are not told this, but that diversity is somehow valuable in itself. If diversity of educational and literacy standards could be a proper value, the lower and lower ones would be valuable in the same way as the higher, a contradiction in terms. Therefore it is known that we are being given mendacious propaganda about assimilation and diversity, and the conservatives are deeply implicated in this too. The promoters of mass antimerit immigration can't say that their goal is to do the maximum damage to civilization that can be gotten away with today; but the facts, as given above, show that they must want these disastrous results.

kaw said at March 28, 2005 12:46 AM:

Pathetic. Fear mongering like the stuff in this article and the comments were once used to describe the "threat" from Irish immigrants. Most Yanks don't want to admit the ugly truth - They NEED the wetback. Especially in places like California where the economy is dependent on the dirt-cheap labor of illegals. That's right, shut down illegal labor from down south and the economy goes in the crapper. Ya still wanna keep 'em out because you don't like the smell of chorizo? Instead of spending millions on stupid walls that don't work use the $$ to fix their freaking economy so the don't need to come here looking for dinero in the first place. The first step is to chuck crap like NAFTA and CAFTA - they just shovel money into the pockets of the rich on both sides of the border and make the conveyor belt to the north move faster.

Slot_the_Munts said at March 28, 2005 6:29 AM:

Hey, I'm willing to pay an extra 15 cents for a head of lettuce if it means we can kick out the Mexican illegals. After all, the money we would save in taxes, not to mention the enormous improvement in our quality of life, would more than make up for it. Let's give it a shot.

Randall Parker said at March 28, 2005 10:08 AM:

kaw,

If we deported all the illegals the economy would do just fine. They earn low salaries. That's the economy's way of saying that the value of their labor is low. They are net liabilities. They cost far more in tax-provided services than they pay in taxes.

crush41 said at March 28, 2005 10:50 AM:

Most Yanks don't want to admit the ugly truth - They NEED the wetback.
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The six million-plus welfare recipients and two million-plus prisoner population could easily replace that cheap labor if the political will to make it happen existed.

John S Bolton said at March 28, 2005 4:17 PM:

Hardly anyone is irreplaceable economically; but the low income worker subsisting on net public subsidy is by far the most replaceable. It also doesn't say anything about the next wetback in, that another one got some bad job, which progress would have eliminated and replaced with a more productive one long ago.

Proborders said at March 29, 2005 8:53 AM:

If the US economy really needs cheap labor, the US does not need to rely on Mexican labor for its cheap or "cheap" labor needs. The US can import workers from Central America (El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, etc.). The US could let in more people from Brazil. Black Africa is a potential source of cheap or "cheap" labor. Eastern Europe, the Moslem world, South Asia, China, and Vietnam are other possible source of cheap or "cheap" labor.

By reducing Mexican immigration in particular and Hispanic immigration in general the likelihood of the American Southwest's becoming part of Mexico or a new Hispanic nation-state will be reduced in my opinion.

About half of immigrants in the US are from Spanish-speaking countries even though Spanish-speaking countries are less than 1/6th of the world's population. Reduce immigration from Mexico and increase immigration from Eastern Europe.

John S Bolton said at March 29, 2005 4:54 PM:

An antimexican wall would be the smartest investment of multibillions that the government could make. It would return over 100% the first year, twice that the second, and so on, all the way up to hundreds of billions, after a number of years, if combined with an overall strict policy of immigration control. Professor Donald Huddle of Rice U. has given figures indicating net public subsidy of foreign born reaching around $200 billion this year. This is like a world war on the net taxpayers, our fellow citizens; how can our officials so callously betray them to curry favor with druggocracies and a an openly irrational leftist professoriate?

Bob Badour said at March 31, 2005 1:42 PM:

Kaw,

It just so happens I have had "The Gangs of New York" in my DVD player for the last couple of weeks.

The mass importation of unskilled labour made more sense in the 19th century when a growing country mostly needed bodies to fill empty spaces and build buildings. Even still, the Irish immigrants of the time were largely tribalistic preferring urban ghettos to untamed expanses. The areas where they settled in the largest numbers have attracted waves of later tribalistic immigrant populations and remain to this day some of the most corrupt and heavily regulated areas in the USA.

During the Civil War, many of the Irish immigrants resisted the idea of defending the nation leading to massive armed revolt in New York City. The armed revolt did not result in the Irish immigrants accepting American values and a desire to defend the Nation. Instead, a defeated Nativist population simply accepted the large cost of accomodating the needs of an unproductive and impoverished sub-population.

Even post-Giuliani, the New York area pays tribute to armed thugs.

Is that really the kind of America you want?

Cynthia Curran said at April 3, 2005 11:46 PM:

Well, Santa Ana school district wasn't even in the study. Its 95 percent hispanic and many are children of illegal immirgants. The whites in the South Orange County suburbs have a lot more education and they are producing less children. OC went from only 15 percent hispanic to 31 percent, and like La the lower income hispanics are increasing much faster than the upper-middle class whites.

Hector Rodriguez said at April 21, 2005 9:38 AM:

I think its best for all white supremacist groups to shut the fuck up & deal with our shit for what hell has already been unleashed. Mexicans are in now there's no stopping us now !!! VIVA MEXICO, VIVA H-Town, VIVA Mara Salvatrucha !

Daniel Whitten said at April 22, 2005 9:17 AM:

In Houston we roll Like real shit ... So Ya'll mutha fuckin' putos better understand that we been livin here way before white bitches & enslaved niggas way before their parents moved in to our turf & graduated from school. We're not illegal so ya'll white redneck muthafuckas shut the fuck up because we have hell to bring.

Controlando America said at May 5, 2005 1:08 AM:

I agree wit these 2 vatos here, ya'll muthafuckin white putas de mierdas should just shut the fuck up....damn you muthafuckas complain more than bitches do. Have you fucks ever noticed that this side of the continent is mostly Latin America or are you gringos blind? see what happens when u have too much white ESE! u go blind...this whole continent belongs to the Native Indians & Us (Latinos), we were here way before the english formed USA and way before racist US government brought mayate's here. I gotta send a disrespect to KAW, stick a chorizo up your mouth muthafucka your mouth smells like shit besides u probably like to chupar!
Nadie Nos Puede Parar so just stay tuned & keep your ears close to the radio cuz HELL/INVIERNO will be unleashed.
QUE VIVA LA MARA SALVATRUCHA!!! Y MAS QUE TODO QUE VIVA LOS LATINOS!

Chad Texas said at June 3, 2005 5:37 PM:

Man....

I guess the US economy will eventually break down like Mexico's. Then where will we be? I love it when someone of some sort of Latino background posts something violent on a website in response to intelligent speculation. It simply shows a violent and large cross section of what Americans will have to deal with. If the land was indeed "yours" i.e. Native Americans, Mexicans etc..... you did a poor job of protecting it from invaders. I guess spears, bows and rocks are not ample weapons when facing rifles, cannons, and steel swords. More advanced cultures, and yes, America Europeans for the most part, knocked the crap out of the native cultures. These advanced cultures will always prevail. Being several hundred years behind in weapons technology did nothing good for the indigenous populations. Hell, we even took Texas from you a while back, and you could do nothing about it. Good thing for your friends in Mexico, otherwise they would have to walk another 500 miles to find a job.

What amazes me is your cultures tendencies for violence, and mass production. Yes, we are aware that the Pope doesn't condone birth control, and your people seem more than happy to proliferate out of wedlock. Right now, there is nothing to fear. We will be glad to house your violent criminals, at no cost to you. We will also pay for your 13 year old sister's son or daughter, and their healthcare. No problems here. You should be so proud of all that you have accomplished!

Hateful said at August 15, 2005 7:00 PM:

Fuck MS illegal Motherfuckers send your broke asses back to salvador get you ececuted. Chonchero Motherfuckers!

Ivan said at September 5, 2005 8:24 PM:

I think that USA will sooner or later fall down, like Rome, greek empire, egipt, babylon, and all those fucking countries like
the USA, I graduated in Bussiness Administration in PENN STATE, and I am MEXICAN, born in MEXICO, MEXICAN for life, the USA will fall down sooner or later, the usa is built by Immigrants, not by idiots, the US government will not bring Europeans, Africans,
central Americans, or south americans, Because mexican people works better and harder than any other people, if you don't belive me please contact your White people or ask your neighbor. I will become president of Mexico and I will invited North Korean,
Cuban, Russian, Iran, Libia, Venezuela to put there armys in the borders of Mexico with USA " I can wait to see your
faces, we will use guerrilla tactics, and terrorism, I will burn down all American industries built in the Mexican territory,
and I will help drugdealers to send more drugs to the US by Mexican roads. So, do you have any questions? about how the USA will
be destroy. I live in Juárez Mexico border with El Paso Tx, you all heard of Juárez, they kill american women when they came and party, one week ago we kill a US Marine in Juarez, he probably thought that he was Rambo or Conan, check your local news for details, if I see one american in Mexican soil I will Personaly cut his head like my friend Abu Musab Al-Zarquawi did in Iraq.

Ivan said at September 5, 2005 8:44 PM:

I think that the USA is a corrupt country, no one around the world likes american or english, I particulary live in Mexico
and I don't need to live in the USA, Mexico is a growing country, Vicente Fox is a very good economist,he is helping the country by bringing Japanese, German, Russian, French industries to our country, that a US senator offer the Mexican government better salaries than Japs, Germans, Russians, and french in our territory.

JUST ANOTHER VATO said at October 6, 2005 3:35 AM:

WHACHA ENGINEER POET...IM GUESSING YOU'RE WHITE. SIMON ESE IM BROWN...AND BROWN TO THE FUCKIN CORA HOMEBOY. ORALE ALL U WHITE MOTHERFUCKERS WANNA START TALKING AND BITCHING CUZ WE'RE TAKING OVER THIS MOTHERFUCKER?? IT WAS OURS TO BEGIN WITH. Y SIMON U MIGHT HAVE AN ARMY READY...BUT SO DO WE. YO NO SOY DE LA MARA BUT IM FROM A DIFFERENT STREET GANG. YOU WHITE KRACKERS HAVE THE GOVERNMENT AND THIS OTHER FANCY SHIT BUT WE GOT THE STREETS. WE GOT MORE THAN HALF YOUR POPULATION ON OUR SIDE. WE GOT FIRME ASS SOLDADOS LISTOS Y PUESTOS PARA LO QUE VIENE. THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO WAR WITH ITS OWN COUNTRY. AND WE AIN'T INVADING...WERE JUST TAKING IT BACK. BE READY. THEZE AREN'T JUST WORDZ FROM ANOTHER STREET SOLDIER. KEEP TRUCHA PUTOS.

Alejandro said at October 30, 2005 7:05 PM:

I'm chicano my mom cross the border in order to give me a beeter future. In since that day I have not failed her. It is true that most latinos are violent. But how is it their fault? When people first cross the border they don't have enough money or not even any money at all. So the have to live in the ghettos for most of their life. They have to steel and lie in order to survive for usually that is the only way they will know for sure they will have food for that day. They grow up and learn what the streets have shown them. Then the are told they aren;t worn nothing when they are still in their youth. So how do you think that makes them feel? They fell unwanted since their not doing good in school what other way should they feel wanted? They turn to violence in order to belong. Futhermore it is not our fault we have not made it far in life do to the descremenation the white people had on other races. They would not let other ethnics reach their goals and dreams. So since the early 1960's its like if we are barely being born into society. Barely being notice and letting the white race know that we are also part of this world and we also have feelings. So how is that fair that the white race had an early advantage and yet we are only starting. Remeber the whites treated the blacks if they were not even humans. They din't even pay them for the work that they did. so thats why when you hear the word white you mostly think of rich. When you hear the word black you think of poor. And when you think of hispanics you think of (what the hell are you doing in my country?)But if you remeber the Native Americans owned this land before the whites came and took over. So they are immigrants as well. One of the reasons the Native Americans lost their land was because of the advantage the whites had. How are you going to conmpete with guns and swords. The Natives were the peaceful ones they were one with nature. So they had no need to involve or improve their way of living because they were happy just the way they were. Once you think about that can be true. Just because technology has made our lives easier has it made us happier? I don't belive it has for the only thing I see is us destroying the world. With the polution we have and all the nuclear bombs as well. So now tell me what ethnic is the most violence?The one who started it all because of their greed for power. We once lived in a peaceful world until the whites decide to evolve and make our lives a lot easier. But their is some good news. The hispanics are producing at a tremendous rate. The land the U.S took from Mexioco well soon be reclaimed with interest. 7 out of 10 latinos are now being born in the U.S. So that will show how much immigratin can do now a days. It has been estimated that very soon the hispanics will soon be the majority in the U.S. So to all my raza sigan reproduciendo i que viva la raza.

gata said at November 2, 2005 7:28 AM:

look here homie

you can talk all you want but like it or not the mexicans came to america and they came to stay so all ya putos tring to say junk about my raza beter think again becouse one day all ya motherfokers are going to pay!!! vayanse ala verga pinches rasistas !! viva mexico cabrones !!!!!!!!!!!!!

cirilo said at November 2, 2005 7:49 AM:

look putos
you all think that you are bad but the badest are the mexicans putos. if it wasn't for us the U.S. wouldn't be anything. oh p.s chingen su madre los dela ms !! puro mexico cabrones !!

homies said at November 2, 2005 7:59 AM:

all we got to say is vivan los LATINOS !!!! VIVA !!! ATL !!! AND SLP !!PURO SAN LUIS POTOSI MEXICO !!!

Hunz said at November 30, 2005 8:24 PM:

70 percent of violent crimes are committed by white boys. latinos and blacks are mostly in jail for petty ass drug cases.ya'll white boys intake 60 percent of the drugs in america.yea dats right yall da biggest mu fukin crak,heroin, and meth heads. Educate yall'selves b-4 you talk hot shit.H-Town Texas!Ya bitches! You best belive latinos takin dis bitch over. I aint down wit da Mara but I sho' iz Salvadoreno para que lo sepan hijos de gran mil putas! Reppin dat Durrty Souf Houstunnized so run up n get chestized n I will be jumpin in ya'lls white gurl thighs. white chiks could sho' suk a Salvadorian dik!

johnny flores said at December 12, 2005 10:35 PM:

well how about the abs or the black gangster disciples or the mafia or the mob come on now why wine over them when there are more of us here in the usa.leave them alone the only reason they bad is because rich people who are so rich,dont help the poor not enough jobs come on now be honest whites are the biggest murders in the usa,they killed all the indians and alot of mexicans, andll had slaves and ex ex ex but god loves all stop being racial and be honest and true instead of being haters on one race so STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!.OK GOD BLESS TO ALL RACES.

junior said at December 16, 2005 12:10 AM:

hey wait a minute. I was born in downtown los angeles where crime was always usual. Moved to Watts, CA and the same shit. My struggles to move up in this so called america dream were accomplished. Now I'm a Big time financial analyst for a company in Fullerton, CA. So you fucken white motherfuckers dont have shit to say about mexicans.it is true some of us are violent, but that comes from our ancestors the AZTECS. Reality is this, All the white europeans migrated to United states in the 1900's with no border barrier, you guys had it easy. Now us Mexicans, we have to starve,and dehydrate ourselves just to cross the border to the U.S. We come here to work and earn a living for our children. Now you white folks should just be quiet, because tomorrow you will need one of us(mexican) to either cut your grass or work for cheap labor. So mexicano hasta la muerte y los angeles will be our state. Viva mexico y todos los latinos

Mando Ramos said at December 20, 2005 11:59 AM:

First of all, people like you are fragmenting this country. Your mindset is all wrong. If you look at history in an honest and fortwright manner which people like you so conveniently forget, YOU ARE INVADERS TO THIS LAND, not the other way around. Everything that your people have built has been through slavery, murder, broken treaties with the Indians, Etc. should I go on? And you wonder why Americans are the most despisded people in the world? It's because of your peoples character, composition meaning when I speak to a white person in general, I constantly need to ask myself if I my speaking to someone thats real or someone whose already been brainwashed into thinking that I a criminal thinking about stealing something. Lets face it, white america is thoroghly brainwashed and until you assholes change, shits never gonna change. In any matter, tyranny always eventually ends if you study your eurocentric history. QUE VIVA TODO GENTE INDIGENOUS! WHITE ASSHOLES!

Mando Ramos2 said at December 20, 2005 12:05 PM:

By the way, asshole, Senor Huntington's bullshit table fails to take into account numerous variables which affect his false data. But in any case, your little war against hispanics is a lost cause. We are ready for what ever you have or are preparing against us. If you want to start a race war, you motherfuckers are in for a big suprise.

Mando Ramos3 said at December 20, 2005 12:25 PM:

One last shot out to all latinos living in this racist country of THEIRS. Keep struggling and fighting to do the right thing, meaning building yourselves up by educating yourselves, be it formally or informally. You need to stay aware that their are Assholes out here (AKA Republicans) that DO NOT HAVE YOU OR YOUR FAMILYS IN INTERESTS AT HEART! We are talking about people whose descendants are truly evil. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE TRULY SATANIC FORCES BEHIND TODAYS GOVERNMENT! NO BULLSHIT! So to all the Homies RIP"N", doing life, and out there hustlin', keep your head up and don't let none of these racist rednecks get you down!

Mando Ramos3 said at December 20, 2005 12:46 PM:

One last shot out to all latinos living in this racist country of THEIRS. Keep struggling and fighting to do the right thing, meaning building yourselves up by educating yourselves, be it formally or informally. You need to stay aware that their are Assholes out here (AKA Republicans) that DO NOT HAVE YOU OR YOUR FAMILYS IN INTERESTS AT HEART! We are talking about people whose descendants are truly evil. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE TRULY SATANIC FORCES BEHIND TODAYS GOVERNMENT! NO BULLSHIT! So to all the Homies RIP"N", doing life, and out there hustlin', keep your head up and don't let none of these racist rednecks get you down!

Mando Ramos4 said at December 20, 2005 12:46 PM:

HERES A THOUGHT. LETS DEPORT ALL WHITE PEOPLE TO EUROPE! DOES IT SOUND THREATING? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WE FEEL! ASSHOLES!

Randall Parker said at December 21, 2005 8:35 PM:

Mando Ramos,

The Spanish upper class in Mexico are descendants of invaders in Mexico. You want to kick everyone out of Mexico who has Spanish blood because they are invaders?

Of course, across the Aleutian land bridge at least 5 migrations past over. The genetic record suggests strongly that the later waves wiped out the earlier waves. So if you are descendant of non-white Mexican tribes then your ancestors wiped out the original human inhabitants of the Americas.

I want to get rid of the illegal aliens and stop letting in Hispanics because they are pulling the United States down to the backward level of Latin America. Latin America's backwardness is the argument for keeping out the Latin Americans. They've got a couple dozen countries and can't make any of them as successful as the US, Canada, Europe, NZ, and Australia. Or as successful as Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea for that matter.

Paul said at December 24, 2005 8:53 PM:

Randall Parker,

Its funny and pathetic how you assume that Hispanics are bringing down the United States. Maybe you should be blaming this on our president who is to busy taking advantage of a thirld-world country. Spending billions upon billions of dollars fighting sheep herders who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. And because of the United States presence in Irak, this great country of ours has caused extremists from almost every islamic state in the middle east to fight the americans, and kill those americans who are just kids freshly out of high school. Yes its true the MS-13 has to be stopped and this goes for every gang in America, I'm a second generation Mexican-American and it angers me when I read that people from the same background as mine still join gangs and dont set any goals or do something productively. I do disagree with deporting every illegal immigrant, most people come here to have better lives, to be honest all do. But a small amount of these individuals do turn to violent crimes, you might think this is what they are all about, but your wrong. They turn to violent crimes when they cant get a job and cant support their families. Shit.. I would do the same. Be honest, you would do that too if necessary. What has to be done is have harder convictions, and stop discriminating towards hispanics, or any other race for that matter. Lets give these people my people a better chance to better themselves. And remember gangs in the first place were form due to white crime against minorities. We all have a fault and the best way to fight this is for out local authorities to take more action. What we need is a wave after wave of stings and arrest individuals who have commited crimes, but lets not stop there lets have more waves one after the other. You see you cant have a wave of stings and not have another a year later. You cannot give them time to re-group and continue their illegal activities, and yes I mean every criminal or group of criminals whites, hispanics, blacks, asians etc..

paul said at December 24, 2005 10:21 PM:

...And if any of you are in gangs lets for once stop giving WHITE people excuses to hate us. Lets show them in our own way what we are capable of, lets not insult them, lets show them and prove to them. Insults dont get you anywhere! Get yourself educated if your not and help improve this great country of ours.

Hollister_boy said at February 13, 2006 1:01 AM:

You people talk about us hispanics as if we were all illegals or as if non of us are American. I just want to remind you people that we americans are all descendants of immigrants, that's what America is and if anything you guys shouldn't forget that it's the white man who came to america and wiped out the natives of this land, if anything us brown people are the originals from this very land we call the united states of America and it's you guys who make this land a melting pot. Now, I know that gang crimes are mostly caused by Hispanics,and hispanic Americans but don't forget that Americas toughest killers have been WHITE. When you reffer to hispanics, you shouldn't categorize us all the same way, we don't categorize you people along with the european immigrants do we? (your people). America is a shared land by every race in the world and that's exactly what the American race is.

Hollister_boy said at February 13, 2006 1:08 AM:

and if anything we shouldn't be racist to each, we should stick together cause the world hates us and all we basically have is each other and the fact is this, if you're racist then you should leave America cause it's obvious that you can't handle living in america or even being an american.

Hollister_boy said at February 13, 2006 1:36 AM:

ok this goes to "Ivan" and "controlando America" and the rest of you ghetto ass muthafuckers
really guys shoot yourselves, you guys are the reason why we Hispanic Americans are seen the way we are, cause of stupid muthafucken fags like you guys, all you guys do is help the other races hate us even more. And you know what else fuck who ever killed that marine in stupid ass juarez, ssshhhihuhua it's stupid ass fucken wetbacks like you who should be deported out of our country and fed to the dogs. All you guys have is envy cause America kicks ass!!!! It can fuck up any stupid ass south american country anytime. What are you guys going to do when we point a bunch of nukes out to you guys, then you guys will be running like bithches. If you guys hate America so much, then get the fuck out!!!!!!

Vianey said at February 21, 2006 7:00 AM:

I am a high school student and i have to admit that i love the united states, and i love my home town of camargo chhi and im not in a gang, and im not dropping out of school, i have always been an honors student and i have to disagree that hispanic people are all in gangs, because we are not, and if anything we are an asset to the American society, we contribute to the economy and we have hispanic leaders in congress, i love being latina, and i will fight for my rights and help the hispanic comunity because helping us means helping america because dont forget people that we are MEXICAN AMERICANS, much emphasis on the AMERICAN part, hispanics have been here long before christopher columbus stepped on to america, and i have to say that christopher columbus has to be the biggest "wetback" of all immigration is here to stay, hispanics have always been in this country, and they are an asset to our society

Kiki said at March 2, 2006 8:56 AM:

Having been to El Salvador and having studied the history of violence that has been supported by the United States imperialistic administrations there really is no wonder that gangs such as Mara Salvatrucha have developed. You have generations that have grown up with murderous paramilitary gangs trained at the School of the Americas raping, kidnapping, burning and brutalizing women, children and men approx. 80,000. Bringing America down? America's frankensteins around the world are coming home.

zapatistaManuel said at January 22, 2007 8:32 AM:

fuck the white people!!!

jane said at November 7, 2009 4:40 PM:

zapatistaManuel:

Fuck the white people? Haven't you ever considered that not all white people are racist and actually want our country to grow and populate with different cultures? Because, after all that is what this country is founded on. White people are actually immigrants too so they shouldn't kick any one out because of race. I understand the whole ILLEAGAL immigrant issue due to how it would effect our economy and such. But just because some of the whites don't like latinos, blacks, chinese or WHATEVER doesn't mean you should hate on all whites because of that. Not all of them are red neck racists. Especially since not all whites are racist. Hell not all whites are fully white! I'm 12% Lenape indian and im still considered white. And yeah our governments can become corrupt...but hate on the INDIVIDUALS not the race as a whole.

Bob Badour said at November 7, 2009 5:46 PM:

Our country is founded on colonists taking over and displacing the folks who are already here. The Amerinds were too stupid or too gullible or too weak or too something to keep from getting screwed over. I don't see how that imposes a moral obligation of stupidity, gullibility, weakness or anything else on the rest of us. Some might even think we should learn from their colossal fuck up of historic proportions.

P.S. I doubt zapatista(FromThreeYearsAgo)Manuel will ever see what you wrote.

ZaptheBagster said at March 19, 2010 2:31 PM:

wait, a war is coming, and destruction to all hispanics is in the near future, good riddance. It is because you have brought desolation, your filth, your disease, your unwanted children (dogs and pigs), your filthy women, your degenerate men, so we can pay for your health care and your housing and welfare, you have assisted in destroying our country and you will NOT BE FORGOTTEN for that. Your due to pay. As far as I am concerned, your drug infestation that needs annhiliation. What is needed is every town in this nation to dig a big hole line each of you up and shoot. Don't think it won't happen, because our police can't do anything, their hands are tied, but the people still rule in this country, and that you won't ever be, like dogs aren't.


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