2004 December 17 Friday
Dutch Emigrate In White Flight Across Borders

More Dutch are leaving than there are Muslims arriving.

The first picked up on figures showing that an exodus of native-born Dutch in search of a new life abroad has reversed immigration flows for the first time since the Second World War.

Last year, more people left the Netherlands than arrived, despite low unemployment and the highest per-capita income of any major country in Europe.

The flight is not of frustrated young people in search of better prospects, but of lawyers, accountants, computer specialists, nurses and business people. They have been applying for visas to the English-speaking world: Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

This new wave of "middle-class flight" has quickened this year following rising ethnic violence, and suggests that the Dutch, held up as a model of tolerance, liberalism and inclusiveness, are growing so disenchanted with multi-culturalism as to vote with their feet.

Of course the Muslims are having more babies than the Dutch are.

The Dutch have high living standards and yet are leaving for Canada and New Zealand.

Last year more people left the Netherlands than arrived as migrants or asylum seekers, even though unemployment remains low at 4.7 percent and per capita income is higher than any major country in Europe.

Fortunately America is still big enough for "white flight" to occur into rural areas and into the so-called "Red States". However, the areas to flee from are growing in number and size while the areas to flee to correspondingly shrink. Also, the destination areas are not as desirable in many ways (e.g. high plains weather is less desirable than SoCal weather in the view of the vast bulk of the population).

Philosophy student David van Ofwegen of Leiden Netherlands thinks the Muslims will eventually take over Holland.

If supporting freedom of speech is the common opinion in Holland now, it won't be in 40 years time. What's happening in Holland, and in the rest of Europe (think of France and its 300 lawless ghettos) is a fundamental invasion of one of the most free and social societies in the world, by those making use of those very same liberties and privillages to cause a demographic, and eventually a theocratical revolution. You're being attacked by Islam; we are becoming Islam. Numbers of victims or of the population involved may sound interesting and lead to judgements about our intolerance (intolerant Dutch, talk about stereotypes!), fact remains that the current situation is not a simple equation of people against burning mosques.

I've been meaning to post about Dutch politicians who have been found on Jihadist lists targetted for death and who have received death threats in other ways. The politicians who are being targetted for death are rather like the canaries in the coal mine. But perhaps more importantly, the targetting of the politicians has the beneficial effect of causing them such fear that they have to face the problem that Muslims pose for freedom in the Netherlands. Even the politicians who are not known to be targetted and who have not spoken critically of Muslims or Islam must be feeling more nervous any time they step out in public and when they fall asleep each night.

Some politicians threatened with death by the Jihadists have gone into hiding in safe houses with police protection.

Among those threatened are Somali-born MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former Muslim who has already been in hiding for two years, the parliamentary leader of her VVD Party, Jozias van Aartsen, and Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen.

According to the mass circulation daily De Telegraaf, the fundamental suicide commando death list also includes the names of independent parliamentarian Geert Wilders and Deputy Amsterdam Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb. De Telegraaf writes that both Hirsi Ali and Wilders had been taken to heavily guarded safe houses.

The list of threatened people is at least a half dozen long at this point.

Wilders, who had been planning to form a party to tackle “the Islamic problem” now also has 24-hour police protection. There is apparently one more Dutch politician, besides Hirsi Ali and Wilders, who has now been accorded 24 hour police protection. Outside parliament, a Dutch TV chat show host has also been given protection. And the mayor of Amsterdam, Job Cohen has also now been put on the hit list, as has the deputy mayor, fellow Muslim Ahmed Aboutaleb.

I haven't been able to find a link that provides a name for the talk show host. Also, from the description of these articles I suspect there is at least one more Dutch Parliamentarian who has been threatened with death whose name has not been mentioned in any of these linked articles.

Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk has also been threatened.

The Mayor of Amsterdam has also been threatened with action from the beheading community, as has his Muslim deputy, and they, too, are under 24-hour protection, as are two other members of Parliament, including Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk.

Ms. Verdonk's thinking has obviously been changed by being targetted for death.

Ms Verdonk recently announced that the Government would introduce a law to strip Islamic radicals with dual nationality of their Dutch passports.

Geert Wilders wants to deport the radical Muslims and ParaPundit agrees.

“My life has changed completely. I am sleeping very badly. To think that someone plans to kill me is something that no person would have a good night's rest about,” he said. “Even though I have this protection, I am afraid. Even when I am on the floor of the parliament, I don't feel comfortable.”


With radicalism spreading among the country's one million Muslims — 5.5 per cent of the population — Mr Wilders wants the top 150 known terrorist sympathisers, monitored by the security services, to be jailed or deported without trial, and the 20 most radical mosques closed down. He also wants a ban on all non- Western immigration for five years while better employment and education opportunities are put in place to integrate ethnic minorities into mainstream society.

“I believe people who work against our democracy, and who favour this fascistic Islamic radicalism, don't deserve the rights of our democracy. They don't deserve the rights of the rule of law. Without going to a judge, they should be arrested and expelled,” he said.

Wilders wants to fight to keep Holland Dutch.

``We have our own norms and values. If you chose for radical Islam you can leave, and if you don't leave voluntarily then we will send you away. This is the only message possible.''

"If we don't do anything ... We will lose the country that we have known for centuries. People don't want the Netherlands to be lost and this is something that I get angry about and I am going to fight for, to keep the country Dutch.''

Geert Wilders opposes Turkish membership in the European Union.

Wilders split with the free-market coalition partner Liberal Party two months ago because it backed the candidacy of predominantly Muslim Turkey for the European Union.

He formed his own conservative party, the Wilders Group, which has one seat in the 150-member parliament. But a recent poll suggested his anti-immigrant message was reverberating through the electorate, and he would win 24 seats if elections were held today -- up from 19 seats before Van Gogh's murder.

The Dutch need to shut down immigration for a lot longer than just 5 years. They also need to deport all their illegal aliens and also revoke residency or citizenship from all the radical Muslims and deport them too. Any Muslim legal resident who makes any kinds of threats or breaks any laws should also be deported.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2004 December 17 03:38 PM  Immigration Societal Decay

George said at December 17, 2004 5:10 PM:


You must not fall victim to an orchestrated campaign of hate. Van Gogh obviously played a key role in the campaign. Which cultural or religious dimension did he attack or threaten by his work? This is the question. If being 'Dutch' in today's Holland means defending such an attack, then Muslims living there will also leave.

If fact, Muslims living there have recently called for limits to immigration. They realize that a tiny country can only support so many people, regardless of the petrodollars they may bring in.


Randall Parker said at December 17, 2004 6:28 PM:


I have a dimmer view of Islam than you do.

Does it matter what Van Gogh threatened? Why?

Artist Andres Serrano made a disgusting art exhibit called "Piss Christ". No one killed him and no one should have considered doing so.

I doubt that the devout Muslims in the Netherlands are calling for a limit to immigration. Rather, the secularists who came from Muslim countries do not want more devout believers coming to the Netherlands because the secularists are trying to escape the devout ones and the sort of society the devout ones want to create.

Kurt said at December 17, 2004 7:20 PM:


I agree 100% with your points in this article and with Wilder. Free societies are based on a "live and a let live" philosophy. People who cannot accept this have no business entering such a society in the first place. If we had the same problem in the U.S., I would back massive deportations of radical muslims from here as well.

Beside, if these people can't stand Western society, why do they even bother to come here in the first place? Perhaps they should consider to stay in their home countries where they can be around their own culture and people and, presummably, live a happier life. I mean, what is with these friggin people?

Randall Parker said at December 17, 2004 7:33 PM:


They come for money.

It is a widespread conceit among Open Borders ideologues that people come to the West primarily for freedom. But they come primarily for money.

John S Bolton said at December 18, 2004 2:19 AM:

The moslem religion is founded upon aggression and exalts aggression, and has no other basis. therefore, whenever a Dutchman today sees a moslem in his country, he must say 'subhuman'. The flight of the most cowardly, fear-drenched liberal elements indicates what is to come.

Kenelm Digby. said at December 18, 2004 2:51 AM:

In all honesty, I must say that the Dutch people deserve the fate that they (or their political leaders) made for themselves.
The truth of the matter is that this so-called "ethnic problem" was entirely made by the Dutch for the Dutch, and no outside influence can be blamed as the evil party.
Decades ago, the Dutch loved to make a big show of how "enlightened" and "liberal" they are, now they have made their own bed and have to lie on it.
The beat that come out of this whole sorry saga is that it might serve as warning to other Western nations on the evils of mass immigration (ie most particularly Canada).
But don't hold your breath.

Kenelm Digby. said at December 18, 2004 2:52 AM:

In all honesty, I must say that the Dutch people deserve the fate that they (or their political leaders) made for themselves.
The truth of the matter is that this so-called "ethnic problem" was entirely made by the Dutch for the Dutch, and no outside influence can be blamed as the evil party.
Decades ago, the Dutch loved to make a big show of how "enlightened" and "liberal" they are, now they have made their own bed and have to lie on it.
The beat that come out of this whole sorry saga is that it might serve as warning to other Western nations on the evils of mass immigration (ie most particularly Canada).
But don't hold your breath.

Matra said at December 18, 2004 8:45 AM:

Kenelm Digby - "The beat that come out of this whole sorry saga is that it might serve as warning to other Western nations on the evils of mass immigration (ie most particularly Canada)."

Unfortunately the murder of van Gogh and the Dutch backlash have not been widely reported in Canada. The only TV news items I've seen on it have come from the BBC.

Canada may let in more immigrants legally per capita than the US but we don't have anywhere near as many illegal aliens as the US. Also, our immigrants tend to be of a higher standard than those that go to the US - a lot of businessmen, engineers, etc. A recent report showed that immigrants are not doing as well in Canada than they used to and it's probably because too many are arriving into too few places - Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. Also unlike Holland and the US immigrants here are more diverse. It isn't just Mexicans and Muslims (though the Muslim pop. has trebled in Ontario, the largest province, in just over a decade) but many are from China, India, the Philippines, South America, and other places where Muslims are a minority. Indeed many immigrants have a built in dislike of Muslims and are far less tolerant of it than lapsed Canadian Christians. Nevertheless I expect to see some increase in racial tension in major Canadian cities, mostly between different non-white ethnic groups.

Lastly, don't forget unlike Holland the places available in Canada for white flight are numerous and the weather wouldn't be as great a factor as for someone in southern California. It has certainly been happening over the past decade or so with many native born Canadians moving to smaller cities and towns as well as to the cheap and relatively white homogenous Maritime provinces above New England.

Matra said at December 18, 2004 8:53 AM:

I didn't write the above post very well. What I'm saying is that though multiculturalism in Canada will naturally lead to more ethnic strife, it isn't as likely to get as bad as it is in Europe. Canada also has a lot more time to fix its problems than they do in Europe. If Europeans do eventually launch a major crackdown on immigration with deportations and the rest, it will be interesting to see how "immigrant nations" like Canada and the US react.

Matra said at December 18, 2004 9:41 AM:

Looks like Australia may be the only settler nation, possibly the only European stock nation, that seems to be on the right path. This article appeared in the Expat section of the Daily Telegraph:


Excerpts: "The number of British immigrants settling in Australia has outstripped those from South East Asia for the first time in a decade, according to figures published yesterday

A report, released by the immigration department, showed a marked rise in the number of migrants from the UK, with the annual total more than doubling in the past four years from 9,000 to 19,000.

Britons easily overtook the next biggest source of migrants, South East Asia, which provided 16,800 arrivals. South Asia, north-east Asia and sub-Saharan Africa each accounted for another 11,000. The dramatic increase in British migrants signals a return to Australia's Anglo-Celtic roots..."

"The proportion of immigrants from English-speaking countries such as Britain, South Africa and India has jumped from 37 per cent when Mr Howard first took office, to more than 50 per cent of last year's intake of 111,000. The change is a result of the government putting more emphasis on skilled migrants rather than refugees or relatives seeking to join their families in Australia."

As for poor old Britain, it seems to be like the Netherlands: "Surveys in the UK consistently show that a large proportion of the population would leave if they could...High crime levels, house prices, long working hours and bad weather were all cited as reasons to leave.

Australia was named the most desirable destination, followed by Spain, America, Canada and New Zealand."

Kurt said at December 18, 2004 5:03 PM:

I believe that there is already a legal mechanism in the U.S. for deporting islamofacists. when my wife (who is a Japanese national) applied for U.S. residency and green card, one of the questions asked is if she is associated with any totalitarian movement (such as Nazism and communism) that advocated the overthrow of democratically-elected governments. All immigrants are asked this question and this was used as the basis to exclude former SS and other members of the Nazi party from being able to enter the U.S. During the cold war, people associated with the Soviet communist party were also excluded on the same basis.

We should apply the same criterion to potential immigrants who are associated with islamofacistim. Islamofacism is clearly an intolorant, totalitarian ideology that has no place in modern, Western society. Why should an islamofacist iman be allowed entry into the U.S. any more than a former Nazi SS member? At least the Nazis are no longer a threat to world peace and freedom.

The criterion for "islamofacist" would be anyone associated with the wahhabi version of islam.

noone said at December 19, 2004 7:46 AM:

How do you say "Californication" in Dutch?

"Lastly, don't forget unlike Holland the places available in Canada for white flight are numerous"

The Dutch are urbanites,would they be happy in a small suburan town on the Great Plains?

As Steve Sailor points out,we got a lot of room,but most of it isn't desirable,some people may be willing to rent a crap apartment in a slum they can afford if it keeps them near a trendy,gentrified neighborhood they can't afford.Most people are not so stupid,especially if they have kids.The desirable locations are too expensive and the more affordable locations near the desirable locations have become undesirable even as they become realtively more affordable.

Lurker said at December 20, 2004 7:08 AM:

It will be interesting to see if European secularism experiences a rollback and Christianity makes a political comeback based on the perceived threat of a growing muslim influx. Not a true religious revival, rather a bolstering of the social/demographic power structure that Christianity represents. Secularism is an idealistic philosophy that sits fairly high on Maslow's heirarchy. I think that up until now, European secularism has received quite a bit of reinforcement based on experiences with WWII fascism and the Holocaust. Obviously a dis-ease is building in Europe, and the US as well. It will erode away the lower-levels of the hierarchy that secularism sits upon. Nations will either protect their heritage and traditions or their people will learn to deal with the changes (or flee).

crush41 said at December 20, 2004 8:27 PM:

Nations will either protect their heritage and traditions or their people will learn to deal with the changes (or flee).

In Europe they sit back and watch it all in an intoxicated state on the government's buck, or they leave. I couldn't find anything more recent than 1980, but Americans generally don't emigrate (for obvious reasons). The number one destination was Europe according to the US Census. I'd be curious to see the numbers of emigrants to Australia from the U.S. today as opposed to twenty five years ago. My guess is proportionally emigration to Australia has increased while to Europe it has decreased, as the Australian and US culture have more in common with one another than either do with western Europe.

As for fighting for tradition, it amazes me how impotent the Catholic Church has been. Given a US membership of nearly 70 million, the institution is equipped to lead the charge. Evangelicals are too small and easily portrayed by the media as backward abberations. The election stirred the traditional majority, but Bush isn't confrontational enough (or simply apocryphal in his supposed concern about tough law enforcement, increased education standards, immigration, etc) to lead the charge. Instead, it falls almost entirely on the shoulders of radio talkshow hosts and internet bloggers who are viciously attacked and/or pigeon-holed as extremists by progressive media (ie Bill O'Reilly).

Jack said at January 10, 2005 7:11 PM:

It's surprising that the middle class Dutch are choosing to run away from their mess considering it was middle class liberalism that got them there. Why don't the liberals admit they made a mistake and try to reverse their social engineering experiment.

Jack said at January 10, 2005 7:55 PM:

Reply to: Matra on December 18, 2004 09:41 AM
Australia changed its immigration policy after 911 to lower Middle East/Muslim immigration while commencing sub-Saharan African immigration.
The result in Perth, the city on the west coast, is a division along racial lines, the Arabs live in the northeast of the city near the Galleria shopping centre, the centre and east of the city is Asian (Northbridge & East Perth), the Africans are moving east of the city (Maylands) and "white flight" is creating a town south of Perth (Mandurah).
Its just human nature, the Chinese like to live with Chinese, the Arabs/Malays/Indonesians won't live near pork-eaters, the Indians want to live with white people and no-one wants to live amongst the Africans.

Jack said at January 10, 2005 8:19 PM:

Before you think of leaving your multi-cultural mess behind, read the following excerpt taken from the New Zealand immigration website:

"The policies here are the opposite of South Africa though. Here it is the whites that are discriminated against - obviously not as badly as blacks in SA but it's there all the same. For example, last year we got a leaflet in the door offering free hepatitis vaccinations but only if you were Maori, PI, or Asian. I didn't like that. You can get into medical school here if you are a Maori with lower qualifications than if you are white. A Maori and a European might both live in a socially deprived area; go to the same school; get the same marks and then the Maori will get a scholarship to university and the European will not. Racial discrimination of any kind is unfair and I think that what goes on here is often unfair. A Maori women who lives in the same street as us, a very pleasant, friendly woman, I should add, has had all of her fees paid to go to business school because she is Maori."

I wonder if Europeans will still feel like improving the world with trendy movements like "political correctness" when we are economically enslaved by China.

TS said at January 16, 2005 10:52 PM:

Europe will be absorbed by the Muslims because the continent is pathetically weak and stupid. Within 20 years, the continent will be completely Muslim and much better off than today.

R. Spencer said at February 17, 2005 9:15 PM:

The Dutch have banned their flag, but I'm sure they'll be quite happy to wear the zunnar. (The zunnar, folks, was a cloth belt worn by dhimmis, to signify their inferior status.) From Rayra at LGF comes this:

In the Netherlands the national flag is now banned on most schools. If a student wears the national flag of his own country he will be suspended or expelled from school. The reason for this is that this provokes the immigrants (the muslims) and therefore it is considered discrimination if you wear your country's flag in your own country. Even people who have an bumpersticker whit the flag on their car are harassed and called a facist by the Muslims. Most schools also ban certain clothing like the Lonsdale brand and combat boots with white or red laces. This is also concidered a sign of racism. There are of course no restrictions for the immigrants on clothing.

Steve Harrigan said at February 17, 2005 9:27 PM:

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Swedes Reach Muslim Breaking Point
Friday, November 26, 2004
By Steve Harrigan
MALMO, Sweden — Swedish authorities in the southern city of Malmo (search) have been busy with a sudden influx of Muslim immigrants — 90 percent of whom are unemployed and many who are angry and taking it out on the country that took them in.

"If we park our car it will be damaged — so we have to go very often in two vehicles, one just to protect the other vehicle," said Rolf Landgren, a Malmo police officer.

Fear of violence has changed the way police, firemen and emergency workers do their jobs.

Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard said at February 17, 2005 9:36 PM:

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Muslim extremism: Denmark's had enough

Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard
National Post

A Muslim organization in Denmark announced a few days ago that a $30,000 bounty would be paid for the murder of several prominent Danish Jews, a threat that garnered wide international notice. Less well known is that this is just one problem associated with Denmark's approximately 200,000 Muslim immigrants. The key issue is that many of them show little desire to fit into their adopted country.


- Living on the dole. Third-World immigrants -- most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq -- constitute 5% of the population but consume upwards of 40% of the welfare spending.

- Engaging in crime. Muslims are only 4% of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.

- Self-imposed isolation. Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish to mix less with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5% of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.

H. Bowerman said at March 23, 2005 6:47 PM:

Holy cow! I bet you guys don't think of yourselves as racist, do you? Try replacing "Muslim/Moslem" with "black" and see how that sounds.

No, I don't support terrorism or extremism or anything like that. It's just you can't condemn a whole segment of society based on the noisy, bats**t insane minority - you shouldn't judge all Christians based on the shrill nutters who want to ban evolution, either. I don't like terrorist tactics any more than you do, but let's not turn this into a white supremacy jerk circle.

And yes, I'm white. 5/8 English, 1/4 German, and 1/8 Scottish if you really want to know. I'm not a Nazi just because I have German blood in my veins; not everyone with a turban on their head wants to suicide-bomb the local bus stop. Yes, some do. Deport them. Fine. But enough with the sweeping damnations! Do you wash your hands after taking change from a Muslim cashier, too?

jimmy79 said at March 28, 2005 3:32 AM:

Hey there,

It's nice to see foreign commentaries on the Dutch situation. First I want to state that I AM Dutch, so I know what's happening here. You're all a bit right, but let's not lose perspective, during 80s & 90s we had some good times too. 9/11 changed everything, Holland is businesswise, culturally and ethnic related with the Americans. They were our saviours in WWII, helped us to rebuit the nation after WWII and protected us from the Russians.

Yes western governments made a mistake. They felt so selfassured about themselves, that European countries wouldn't be uneasy with other cultures, religions and races. However the fact for all human-beings is offcourse that they are. And now the new millenium has come and we see our cities changing, our economy's slowing down, our values challenged, our freedom threatened, to put it short... the future is very bleak for most Dutch people.

However deportations are no option. We know what comes from that, as Europeans we'd even know best:(. I think we need strong, decisive leaders. People who stand above religion, race or any divide. Somebody we can all relate to and who can show us a positive vision of the future. Let's all remember, things have not gone wrong yet. We are still very rich, very succesfull andd peacefull.

The muticultural dream has come to an end. Yes, a country or hemesphere can never have their own identity and also be multicutural. The problem with muticulturalism is that it does not have one common shared identity. You are always part of subculture.

So, people in Holland are right to ask themselves, who are we? What are we? Where are we going? etc. We need to learn to live together, amongst each other. And one day that day will come. Europe has always been on the forefront of global change. This will be just another phase in our rich heritage. We've survived the Romans, the middle ages, the plague, the catholic/ protestant schisma, the Turks, colonialism, imperialsm, fascism, wars, world wars, civil wars and communism. So what do you think we will do with fundamentalism, yes we will kill it off, like all the other threats.

As Churchill put it; "The British did not rule the world and seas, because they were made off candy."

Let's stay positive, mingle and enjoy life while we can, because you should never chase problems, they'll chase you soon enough.

Aaron Ruell said at May 17, 2005 7:26 PM:

Naw Jimmy, deportations are an option. one million deportations to be exact. wake up.

freedutchman said at September 1, 2005 3:14 AM:

There are about 10 million "immigrants" of the muslim faith in Western Europe now. In France alone there is an estimate of approx. 2 million immigrants from Algeria. In the Netherlands with a total population of over 16 million, we have just over 300.000 inhabitants with Turkish roots and just under 300.000 with Moroccan roots.
The largest Turkish community lives in Germany. In the UK the largest immigrant community is from Pakistan.

After 911 (NYC), 311 (Madrid), 707 (London) etc. we all know that hate preaching mullahs need to be sent back to their own countries. The majority of Turkish immigrants in my country are hardworking decent folks. The young frustrated males from Morocco are the problem since many (over 20%) are involved with criminals activities or act as loverboys.
Also it is worth noting the real struggle in France will be in the suburbs of Paris, Roubaix and Lyon.
It is interesting to see how predominantly Catholic nations like Spain, France and Italy will deal with muslim immigrants.

And just to put it all into some perspective:

In 2004 over 1000 folks with Turkish roots returned to Turkey from the Netherlands, most of them were middle class folks who decided they had enough of being intimidated by muslim fanatics and decided Turkey would offer them and their kids a better and more democratic future!
How ironical :)

minister said at December 19, 2006 2:13 PM:

I hear the fight in your voices-the dutch citizens want to keep their country dutch. You love you country and I agree. Why shouldn't other people respect you way of life and your religion? Why do other people wants to kill you or hate because of your political or social differences? Why---Why----Why--why. I often think that went situations are not against us or our privileges or not threaten, we or hesitant to react, stand-up for drastic changes, speaking out against despotism-racism and all the other ills that other people suffer. What do you think about South Africa, Black people, who are frieldly to white,muslims and just about everybody-yet Europeans are capturing these people land and suppresing their culture? You are feeling those people have being feeling for hundreds of years. Is it a good feeling? No! White people have abuse their privileges and power. Don't forget All Europe was Barbarian before the gosple of Jesus Christ. You didn't develope Civilized values by yourselves. If being better is to be Good then being good is to be like God. Who is like God? Who is the Judge? Anyhow, Outside of the way things are now, I haven't hear anybody speaking of a honest fear way of life for all people. I love everybody but I don't agree with everything. God knows that this entire world is in a conundrum. Maybe it is the signs of the times. The Egyptians,Babylonians,Perisians-Medians,Grecians,British, and the American have all policed the world with force and fear. How can anyone justify themself to be Good. It time for the entire world to repent, because we have all done things to others that we would never want others to do to us.

Dan said at February 16, 2008 6:52 PM:

We need to beat Liberalism if any change is to take place in Europe. Liberalism got them into this mess and liberals continue to be pro multiculturalism. When it gets to the point where Holland has one all white town, there will still be white liberals saying multiculturism is great.

Tim - North Miami, Fl, USA said at June 6, 2008 11:14 AM:

You wrote..."Australians can speak English, whereas Americans, talk some kind of weird makey-uppy troglodyte babble"

With a name like Stinky Ringpiece, and vocabulary which includes "makey-uppy" you shoudn't be throwing any darts at U.S. English.

What we are seeing worldwide is a mass migration from the third world into the first world.

Divided we fall.

Tim - North Miami, USA said at June 6, 2008 11:22 AM:

Stinky Quote, Part II

"The difference between America and Europe is that Americans stole their land from a native people"

You got that wrong, Stinky. You guys were in charge at the time. America was a collection of British, French, Spanish, Dutch & Russian colonial possessions.

selene said at November 26, 2014 4:39 AM:

This is the story of the Netherlands. I have heated of many types if @@Pest equipment@@ immigrations and this is for the first time I hear that the natives leave the country than the after made citizens are into picture.

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