2003 November 21 Friday
French Mayor, Strasbourg Muslims Disagree On Teachings
The mayor of Strasbourg France is trying to bridge an unbridgeable gap. (same article here)
Mayor Fabienne Keller informed Muslim leaders last week that the municipal subsidy also required that they preach a "French Islam", guarantee women's rights and inform City Hall about their view on whether Muslim girls should wear headscarves.
The association planning the Grand Mosque of Strasbourg rejected the demand and said it would rather forego the subsidy - amounting to 10% of the six million euro ($7.16 million) overall cost - than go along with the city's demands.
The French government is considering banning headscarves from schools. The French are headed in the direction of headscarf bans even as the Islamic party now in charge in Turkey is trying to revoke the bans against headscarf wearing in government facilities.
If Islam was compatible with Western liberal democracy then the futile argument that is playing out in Strasbourg wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
See the related previous post: Norwegian Minister Wants Muslims In Norway To Modernize.
Update:French publishing house Yves Michalon, under pressure of death threats and internal opposition, has dropped plans to publish a French translation of Robert Spencer's Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith. Translator Guy Milliere says that in France it has become fashionable to claim that anyone who criticises Islam is guilty of Islamophobia.
Soon after the book’s publication was approved in France last April, its translator, French writer Guy Milliere, began to receive death threats.
For his part, Spencer calls the cancellation of his book’s publication “...a symptom of the Islamic agenda in France and the silencing of non-Muslims as ‘dhimmis’.”
“What you have here is a subjugation of public opinion in France,” he said. “It’s ironic. If you don’t say Islam is a religion of peace, they will kill you. My book doesn’t advocate murdering anyone. It only investigates questions about Islam, but it is so threatening that they’ll kill to silence it.”
In light of this turn of events Mayor Keller is actually being fairly brave by French standards by standing up in some small way to fundamentalist Islam.
For more on Robert Spencer see Robert Spencer on the Nature of Islam and David Klinghoffer on Islam and Non-Believers, For more on Guy Milliere see Guy Milliere says France No Longer A Western Country and FrontPage Symposium: The Death of France?.
Also see related posts Headscarves And Islam In France And Turkey and Theodore Dalrymple on French Ghettoes.
Even though I'm not fan of Islam, I don't like the idea of the State telling you how to teach your religion. So what if women wear headscarves if they choose to do so.
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Rag, have you ever heard the sentence "a fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" ?
I believe it was Churchill.
I hope, I really do, that your post was just a excessive attempt at sarcasm since you critize by generalising a belief that has been perverted by people who don't understand their own religion. Yet you have the right to invoke the mercy of your own God against them?
You sound like a fanatic yourself, and contrary to the saying an enemy of my enemy is not a friend.
As for the French banning headscarfs... it seems a direct assult on their "Liberte, Egalite et Fraternite" to disguise this they banned all highly visible religious symbols (large crosses, headscarfs, stars...) in a law written so twistedly that It would make a true french laywer proud of his language. Stating that schools are a none religious place... really? I never knew!
However I believe that I have yet heard of anyone being told to remve there cross necklace, By trying to inforce this aren't they simply trying to force them to change their beliefs (since mny muslim girls can no longer attend classes for fear of their family and surounding culture).
It seems that France have the right to tell people that to join there society they must first become the monotone grey that causes no clash with their own culture.
It seems that once again european society choses to accpet other cultures only if they blank out the bits we don't like, that shock us, that we can't understand.
I'm not for or against the headscarf but I believe it's not up to the french goverment to claim so moral high ground as normal.