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2003 November 09 Sunday
Mexican Immigrants To US Have 8th Grade Educations

The PBS Think Tank show hosted by Ben Wattenberg recently had Harvard labor economist George Borjas and libertarian Daniel Griswold as guests to discuss immigration policy.

George Borjas, Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University and author of Heaven's Door: Immigration Policy and the American Economy.

And...

Dan Griswold, associate director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies and author of the study Willing Workers: Fixing the Problem of Illegal Mexican Migration to the United States.

The Mexicans who are still in Mexico are even less educated than the ones who immigrate to the United States!

GRISWOLD: You know, I just - first on Mexico just to clear something up. It's not like we're getting the - the dredges of Mexicans...the average Mexican who comes here is better educated than the Mexicans who stay home. The average Mexican has about five years of education. The average Mexican immigrant - legal and illegal - has about eight. So we are getting the betted educated Mexicans.

Griswold sees all the money that Mexicans send home to Mexico in a positive light.

But you're right, the remittances. Mexico remittances are now their number three foreign exchange earner behind oil and tourism. And it's the best kinda foreign aid. It goes directly to families and to community projects. This is something - a very important component of immigration that we shouldn't overlook.

But money sent to Mexico is money not spent here on goods and services that give Americans jobs. If you are libertarian with little nationalistic loyalties this may not matter. But if you care more about your own fellow citizens and place a much higher value on the health of your own economy then it should matter and it should matter a great deal.

George Borjas explodes the myth that immigrants to jobs that Americans do not want to do.

BORJAS: This is an argument that you often hear, especially that economists make about how these people don't wanna take these kinds of jobs. The way it usually takes place is the following. Immigrants do jobs natives don't wanna do. I think the correct statement is immigrants do jobs natives don't wanna at the going wage. Let me give you a little anecdote. I used to live in California. Every person mows lawns in Southern California's Mexican. Totally legal. Low skill and clearly leads to a lot of cheap labor for people who wanna hire, you know, people who - who - who mow lawns. And the lawns are very nice in southern California. I moved to Boston. Very few Mexicans in Boston. Nevertheless the lawns are still green. If people want - if people want those kinds of services they will pay for it. So it's true. It is certainly true that immigrants do particular kinds of jobs but is at the expense of somebody else in some sense. Somebody's paying for the fact that we now have an increased supply of low-wage labor and it happens to be low-wage workers.

In the face of widespread denial by immigration advocates that immigration exacts any costs in the job market from native Americans Borjas has published economic research papers showing that increased supply really does lower prices in the labor market. It demonstrates the extent of the ideological nature of the arguments for mass low skilled immigration that Borjas even has to take the trouble to demonstrate the obvious. Labor markets are not immune to the law of supply and demand. Increase supply and prices will drop while the quantity used will increase. But the value created by each individual unit of used labor will decline - especially for the least skilled labor.

There's another factor here that Borjas doesn't bring up: Necessity is the mother of invention. Stop letting in large amounts of unskilled workers from Latin America and employers will react to the rising wages for less skilled work by purchasing capital equipment, developing processes, and developing technologies that reduce the need for labor. Cheap labor makes business managers lazier and less innovative. They spend more time managing workers and less time improving how they do things. Libertarians who are advocates of innovation and technological advance ought to take note that by favoring large scale low skilled immigration they are supporting policies that provide disincentives for industrial advance.

Griswold goes on to argue that the number of low skilled jobs is going to grow by millions in the coming decade and he sees immigration as necessary to fill those jobs. But those jobs do not have to be created and those jobs will pay low wages if they are created. Why would we import millions of people to do these low wages who will use more in social services, medical care, crime (and crime has victims who suffer in ways that don't show up in economic models), police, courts, prisons, pollution, and other costs than they pay in taxes? Also, since when did big "L" Libertarians come to see an economy with huge numbers of low-skilled and low wage jobs as a good thing? There was a time when Americans were very proud of the high wages of their lower skilled factory workers and other manual laborers. Now big "L" Libertarians have become enthusiastic cheerleaders for an ever growing lower class.

Griswold defends amnesty combined with a worker permit system.

GRISWOLD: Yes. I think the alternative's unacceptable. Are we gonna round up eight million people and deport them at tremendous human cost, tremendous economic cost, large sectors of the - important sectors of the U.S. economy would be devastated if we did this. Are we gonna continue to limp along with the status quo of eight million people living in a legal twilight zone? No, we have to come up with some mechanism to recognize reality, give these people documents. I don't believe in giving them green-cards, but give them some kind of legal paper. The mistake we made in the '80s was well, we granted this amnesty we didn't create any legal channel for people to come here illegally and the bathtub just started filling up again with the illegals. I'm for creating that legal channel.

Griswold is greatly exaggerating the costs of putting an end to the presence of millions of illegal aliens. First of all, the deportation of illegals could be done gradually in order to minimize the impact on the economy. Second, one way to reduce the number of illegals would be to make it harder to enter the country illegally. Given what illegals cost us the cost of a barrier on the border with Mexico would be more than offset by the reduction in costs to government for services.

A fact that deserves to be more widely known is that the pro-immigration lobby and pro-immigration politicans have effectively sabotaged all low cost effective means of cutting down on the number of illegal immigrants and immigration law violations. Any policy innovation that turns out to work well gets undermined. This has happened repeatedly. Cheap ways to cut back on illegal immigration are available and more could be developed - but only if the political elites want this to happen.

Griswold argues repeatedly that there are jobs that Americans won't do and that therefore low skilled immigrants are needed to do them.

GRISWOLD: I would bring our immigration law more into conformity with the realities of American life. Uh, yes I would open up some more opportunities for high-skilled workers to come in in the technology sector and elsewhere but I would create a legal channel for low- skilled workers to come into this country...most of them want to come in temporarily, but that's why we have this illegal immigration problem. There's a fundamental mismatch between our - our immigration laws are colliding with reality and reality is winning and I would make the immigration laws more reflect reality that there's a continuing demand for low-skilled workers. The pool of Americans happy with taking those jobs continues to shrink immeasurably.

Mr. Griswold, I have a question for you: in the parts of the country where there are still few illegal immigrants how does the trash get collected or how do restaurants find people to work as dishwashers? The answer is simple: the jobs pay more. The jobs do not pay so much more that the trash goes uncollected and the roads and houses do not fall into disrepair. Businesses get cleaned. Cars are repaired. The market adjusts. Also, in many of those parts of the country the natives are not fleeing the way they are fleeing California by the millions.

When it comes to arguing with libertarians about immigration one has to continually state that the labor markets really are markets. There is no absolute need for labor. There are supply curves and demand curves and prices at which the market matches up supply and demand. Also, market prices do not embody all costs. This is demonstrated most visibly with pollution. If an industry business pollutes and does not pay for the costs caused by its pollution then the supply curve of that industry does not accurately represent the real costs of providing the goods it produces. Such is the case with immigration. There are costs that do not show up in the price of labor. We are paying those costs when we pay taxes or deal with the consequences of crime comitted against us or against people we care about or when we fear to go some place that previously was considered safe. The native Californians who move out of state (and there are now more US citizens leaving Californian than entering it) because of the housing price pressures and taxes caused by immigration are paying a cost that does not show up in the market price for labor.

Update: The economic strategy of the US ought to be to make its entire economy an high value added operation with the amount of value added by all categories of workers rising continuously. Jobs that are worth only $6 or $7 per hour are not creating a lot of added value. We should not feed the economy with large numbers of low skilled immigrants because we shouldn't be trying to encourage the growth of low valued added industries. Our immigration policy should be oriented toward making the United States the leader in as many high value added industries as possible.

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Comments
Steve Sailer said at November 9, 2003 11:59 PM:

One strategy we ought to be pursuing is helping Mexico become a more attractive retirement destination for Americans. Mexico ought to be an excellent place for retiring baby boomers who want to live out their years in sunshine with lots of cheap servants around. At present it's not, although the Mexican government has undertaken some reform of the property laws that have increased homebuying by Americans in Baja California. The problems are that elderly Americans, with good reason, don't trust Mexican property law, don't trust Mexican police to provide security, and don't trust Mexican medical care.

friederike said at January 11, 2004 3:09 AM:

i believe the us as a big important worldpower should feel responsible for "underdeveloped" countries compared to themselves. in my oppinion it would be a good resolution to make the borderline between mexico and the us saver but without any violence just by controlling it better, would establish new jobs as well, for americans and mexicans. and to go on the us could spent a part of their income, theyd otherwise invest in war and army to built up poor countries like mexico. this way they wouldnt have to come to america and the taxes that would have been spent on medical and social care for illegal immigrants could partly go to mexico.
this would help against growing racism against mexicans in the us and make mexico an independent country. because it has to show off a lot and could be, as said, a dream voyage goal for americans, since its not too far away.

Theodor March said at January 31, 2004 7:21 AM:

In all the talk about Mexico a fundamental point is missed.
The "Mexican problem" is a legacy of conquest. The U.S.
took the northern half of Mexico during the Mexican conquest
of 1848.

So now we have a Mexican problem. Like England has an
Irish problem. Like Israel has a Palistinian problem.

Randall Parker said at January 31, 2004 9:20 AM:

Theodor, The vast bulk of the Mexicans coming to the US are coming from areas where their ancestors already lived. When the US conquered territory from Mexico many Spanish-speaking people stayed in the US and some fought against Mexico.

No, the problem with illegal immigrants is not a legacy of conquest. It is a legacy of the failure of the Mexican economy to do as well as the US economy.

luisa garcia said at November 22, 2004 5:11 PM:

U r not right i think ur full of bullshit some mexicans are very smart but they dont get a chance to become someone and then they just work in agriculture.

ch1N353bo1 said at December 7, 2004 12:37 AM:

I dun think so, some of them are smart, but they cant find a chance becuz.....simply becuz they are freaking poor!!

Beth said at January 31, 2005 9:41 AM:

HELLO!! Since when did Mexican immigration become a problem. Look at the statistics in Mexico on person to job ratio. If you had a chance to leave the US to get a better job, and have the chance to move up in the economy wouldn't you?? The fact that the education level for them is low is irrelevant to anything. They don't have to oppurtunity to recieve an education unless there family is "well" off.

Randall Parker said at February 2, 2005 12:38 PM:

Beth,

How well would the US be doing if the average American had an 8th grade education? Very poorly indeed. Level of education is extremely relevant.

Since when did Mexican immigration become a problem? Have you not been paying attention? Hispanics are incarcerated at 3.7 times the rate of whites. Less than 10% of them achieve more than a 12th grade education even into the 4th generation after immigration to the US. They have about double the rate of illegitimacy to whites. They have much higher rates of child abuse and also use other social services. They have much lower rates of medical insurance.

Also, look at California. It has extremely high and rising housing prices and 37 million people. We do not need any more people. The state was great when it had 20 million. Now it is on a path toward 50 and 60 million.

We have to put up with racial preferences in their favor which amounts to discrimination against whites. We have to put up with less talented people doing jobs as a result.

It is time to stop Mexican immigration and to deport all the illegals.

Marlen M. said at March 22, 2005 1:23 PM:

HELLO to all the Mexicans out therelike me!!!....Well Fuck all Haters out there!!!

Mexicans deserve all the rights too....Cause wer're just tight like that!!!!
We're Hard Ass Workers...and we know what we want!!! Illegal Immimgrants deserve all rights too!!!!!!!!......................

!!!

gladys ruedas said at March 22, 2005 1:23 PM:

hello to all them tight ass mexicans!!!!! fuck all them damn haters out there they can kiss my mexican ass!!! but anyways well yea i think illegal immigrants should get all the same rights as every one else, they are no different from some one who is legal!!!! thats all for now !!! later!
-Gladys Ruedas- (DONT HATE....APPRECIATE)

Fishy AKA Marlen said at March 23, 2005 5:38 PM:

Hey Randall,

YOU ARE SO WRONG! You are saying that Illegal Mexican Immigrants should all be DEPORTED! You're talking about all them being bad for the U.S. It is NOT TRUE that Mexicans take up the Jails and that they're the more commonly reported on Child Abuse!!! Yes a large population of the U.S is Mexicans! But you know something....If there weren't Mexicans at all in the U.S. it wouldn't be too easy for them to survive! Why...well simply because a lot of the Restaurants are Mexican....and you can't denie that the Food is GREAT! Also even though some Mexicans aren't very talented in work...Meaning they aren't Great Doctors, Teachers,Lawyers...ETC....they do alot of FUCKEN WHITE PEOPLE'S FUCKEN SHIT! Like they fucken clean....well anywayz why AM I gonna waste my time telling you everything they do...If YOU know they Do!!!Well anywayz you are soooo WRONG....
LET ME TELL U SOMETHING QUIT HATING ON MEXICANS B****!!!!!!!!

Randall Parker said at March 23, 2005 6:18 PM:

Marlen,

What am I wrong about? The average educational level of Mexican immigrants to the US? The level really is low. Yes, Mexicans and other Hispanics really do commit crimes at rate a few times higher than the white rate. Go ahead and click thru on that link. Yes, they really do get jailed at much higher rates.

Your problem is with the truth. You claim that people who speak the truth are haters. That is nonsense. You have the problem here: You hate the truth and deny it.

Yes, I am saying all the illegals should be deported.

Tired of overpopulation by stupid mexicans said at April 16, 2005 1:56 PM:

The problem is that the dumber the mexican the more kids they have. All they know how to do is steal. They work under the table, don't pay tax. They flood our schools and hospitals with more stupid kids who take away opportunity for good hard working natives'and their children. When was the last time a Mexican ever did anything to make the world a better place, and cleaning and cutting grass doesn't count. We should stop hiring them, cut our own lawns, cook our own food before it is too late. Mexicans are a cancer of America, North, South and Central, they need to be wiped out like the dirty stupid plague that they are.

R. MacKinnon said at May 3, 2005 7:33 AM:

The illegal immigration problem could be solved in about six months by the following: 1. enforce existing laws relating to hiring illegals,2.stop social benefits to illegals,ie schooling,drivers liciences, welfare and limit medical care to emergencies,etc.3. illegals who are here be given 6 months to return to their countries or face stiff jail time at hard labor.Simple as this is the U. S. has become a pitiful giant and lacks the will to "save" its own country. The leadership would rather send our kids to fight and die for Iraq and consentrate on their own re-election to their cushey jobs with the dream pensions.

Rob Hamilton said at May 5, 2005 5:18 PM:

I am a Caucasian male raised in Texas, I've seen the raising population of Mexicans coming to improve their lives in the USA. I know that many Mexicans were living here before Stephen F. Austin illegally immigrated to Texas. Remember, to most Mexican, did not cross over the border but the border crossed over them, from Texas to California. I know my family immigrated here from Canada, so are you going to tell me to move back to Canada. Then what part of Europe did your family immigrate from. And ask your forefathers were they too illegal immigrants from persecution of an unfair governments. Get your head out of your ass and study your family history tree. Dauhhhhhh

tired of overpopulation by stupid mexicans said at May 6, 2005 12:43 PM:

The problem with cowards such as yourself, Rob, are that you're more concerned with being politically correct than having the balls to stand up for the preservation of the U.S. way of life. While you cower in the shadow of mexican immigration your children, and childrens' children will be burdened for generations to come with crime, strapped hospitals and schools, a crumbling infrastucture that your beloved mexicans scrawl graffiti over and don't pay taxes to sustain. And yes I am well versed in history and the lineage of my ancestors, who immigrated leagally and added character, integrity and respect to the U.S. way of life, which I am tired of seeing torn down by criminals with a since of entitlement and contempt for the U.S. If you are such a big fan of Mexico why don't you go live there. So continue to hide your head up your ass until it is too late Rob.

get over yourselves said at May 17, 2005 1:26 PM:

Ok, I'm gonna play devil's advocate for both sides here. While I would have to agree that Mexicans, in general are typically more commonly affiliated with crimes, worse jobs, etc., it is merely because of the lack of education. However, this is no reason to push them all into one huge category. Many fit this category because of their ancestry, but many of them perservere and actually do become very successful in "better" jobs. While I do believe that restrictions should be put on hiring illegal immigrants in order to discourage illegally crossing the border, I think that in addition to these restrictions, measures should be taken to promote and encourage legal access and/or increased education in and out of Mexico. Improvements made internally with the support of surrounding nations (whether we are for or against Mexicans being in the US) will eventually benefit not only those in Mexico or of Mexican descent, but those in the US too. Rather than sending all of their money back home, they might actually spend it here. Rather than both sides simply insulting one another, why don't we all get our heads out of our asses and get a clue! Think about the other side before you insult it, in whatever situation, and take the time to think about what you would do in situations like the one in question!

The Silent Majority said at May 30, 2005 1:28 AM:

The problem with the Mexicans is that they have no desire to assimilate to American culture. By not assimilating they are acting against the interests of Americans and of their own children and grandchildren. America has absorbed immigrants and their respective cultures from all over the world with unprecented success....except for this wave of Mexicans. Why? There are a number of reasons, but primarily 1) they do not adopt the American Creed of individualism and self sufficiency and 2) they do not embrace English as the official language. These actions by the Mexicans are creating a seperate bilingual / bicultural society in the Southwest. This seperate culture will falter and stagnate like all the other Latin American cultures...unless Mexicans desire and aspire to be Americans. This can only be accomplished by adopting America's culture and language and detaching from Mexican culture and Spanish (just like all previous immigrant groups). Ultimately, we as Americans need to curb this mass influx to further the assimilation - only a manageable number of immigrants can be assimilated. Decreasing the immigration is in the best interest of all Americans, including Mexican-Americans.

Jennifer Rodríguez said at July 6, 2005 6:02 PM:

Hey "Tired of overpopulation by stupid Mexicans"
In one way, you are right of stopping Mexicans to do your domestic chores like mowing and cooking. That way, you and your Anglo-American people won't be so overweight and try to actually DO work, which is obviously an epidemic that is going on in the U.S.
For one, DON'T be calling us a "cancer" to America. First of all, which "America"? North, Central, and South America IS Latino and not just Mexican. If you were referring to the United States, please write "U.S." and not "America" because, remember, the U.S. is not the only country in America. Another thing, what do you call the conquering of our native lands 500 years ago to your people? your people practically wiped us out!! Wouldn't that also be considered cancerous?? Also remember that when your ancestors arrived to America (preset-day U.S.), many didn't know how to read and write, and most of them worked on agriculture. So please, don't be talking negatively about a nationality (Mexican) that has been here on AMERICA longer than your ancestors had.
We are evolving into this commercially country you call the U.S. and were getting used to your customs. That doesn't give you the right to call us "stupid".

*Not all of the Anglo-American population has an education higher than 8th grade anyways*

L Archuleta said at July 7, 2005 1:59 PM:

I agrree with "Silent Majority" It's a shame that the majority of the responses by hispanics have poor spelling, terrible grammer and liberal use of curse words. Their messages are angry and all they want is for all of us to F--- off. We all need to be worried about our open borders. Perhaps we as a country need to stop sending compassionate funding to Mexico. Instead use that money to pay for the expenses at our hospitals caused by illegals not having health or auto insurance, and for injuries they inflict on themselves and others. Some could be used to return them to their own country. If there is any left over maybe we could use money to try and educated the angry illiterate folks who left these messages?

Jose Salazar said at July 10, 2005 10:00 AM:

Hey Jenifer Rodriguez! While I myself am A Mexican-American, my family has been in this country all told about 100 years. I'll say it! illegal immigration is a a cancer on this great nation. And at any rate I agree that we need to put the miltary on our borders to stop Mexico from dumping its problems on us. I despise the comment that we need illegals because no one else will work at McDonalds. When I was a kid I was, I worked at McDonalds and I was the only Mexican kid there. So what are people trying to say that we Americans are a lazy. Yeah right! I cant tell you how many high school kids I know who cant find a job because they are being underbid by people who dont even have a social security card. We as a county need to do more and be more agitated that we need to put up with people who dont give a hoot about the nation we live in and still wanna yell VIVA Mexico. Whats so damn viva about it? if its so great go home. Call the folling numbers even if you suspect that someone is illegal or that a company is supporting this sort of conduct.

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Mario said at July 11, 2005 3:57 AM:

Well what can I say? I was born in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico. I legally visited the United States because my mother couldn't resist the fact that both of her parents had died. It was painful for her to go back home, so we decided to make a life here. In making such decision, after our passports expired, we inevitably became illegal immigrants.

Though this nation is the safest place to be in, in my opinion, it is also the number one racist nation in all of Latin America. Hopefully all those smart people who degrade MY mexican population are far more educated and have a better sense of morality than by simply observing statistical evidence for their harsh remarks. Is it not that this country proclaims "...allegiance to the flag, of the U.S. of America...and to the Republic, for which it stands, ONE NATION under GOD...with liberty and justice, FOR ALL!!!" Am I the only one who sees that an America governed by the almighty entity, GOD, can be going against their own beliefs? How can we say one nation under God, when you make it seem like it's one nation under whites?

I am grateful to have passed the 8th grade! I even became the valedictorian in elementary, and middle school. Maybe I got kinda lucky you know. Miraculously still is the fact that I was top 5% when I graduated from High School, and I cannot even imagine how I got to go to college!!! Boy must I have had great MEXICAN luck.

In a sense it feels great to have accomplished many great feats here in the U.S. Beating the odds its what they call it. But it hasn't been as easy now that I am in college and working full time, ILLEGALLY, in order to pay for my own education, since scholarships don't apply to me. But hey, who wants to get into politics right? I can't even vote!!! I do pay taxes though.

White supremacy is still quite supreme. I even bet that the U.S. will go to war within its own boundry when the day comes that it cannot handle the fact that they aren't as supreme as they thought. Every rock falls by its own weight. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. A nation such as the United States that has gained its military, economic, and political superiority through winning wars, killing thousands of innocent people, wiping out cities, will one day witness its own demise. It is great to be at the top, but once you start to fall, you fall hard.

I do not hate America, I do not hate my fellow racist Americans. I just hate the fact that envy and the need to feel more powerful drives them to say things and do things too much for them to handle. I've learned to love this country despite its fallacies and imperfections. GOD BLESS AMERICA, MY HOME SWEET HOME!!!!

Randall Parker said at July 11, 2005 9:41 AM:

Mario,

Certainly not all white people are smart. Also, some Mexican people are very smart. But the average IQ of Mexicans is about 10 or 11 points lower than the average IQ of white Americans.

Also, some Mexicans are pure white Spaniards. Some are pure Amerinds (American Indians or indigenous or whatever you prefer to call them). Some are mixes and some even are part black. The white Spaniards are smarter than the Amerinds.

Mexico is less developed than the United States for a reason: the population is not as smart on average. I'd be happy to let in only the smarties. I do not want to see the average intelligence level of America decline as a result of the Hispanic immigration deluge. But that is what is happening now.

Jose Salazar said at July 11, 2005 9:44 AM:

By the way this isnt Latin America Mario.

Jose

Jose Salazar said at July 11, 2005 10:05 AM:

Also Mr Parker I dont know if you are aware of it, but blanket statements can really show off your own intelligence. I dont know if the numbers are in on the overall racial IQ on the planet but one thing is for certain that is not where this conversation has any ground to stand. Mario this has nothing to do with race in my way of thinking. I dont want law benders or for that matter Vincente Fox dumping his problems on this country. They gotta get their shit together down there. Mexican Immgrants if they are going to come here need to get in line and do it legally like everyone else.

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Randall Parker said at July 11, 2005 12:03 PM:

Jose,

I don't understand what point you are making. Blanket statements? I distinguished between averages and individuals. Have you read any psychometric research? I'm making statements that are based on a lot of research by psychometricians.

If you want to read about research on intelligence then I would suggest starting here and in particular Why g matters: The complexity of everyday life (PDF format). If you want to read some of those papers then I would advise downloading them to disk and then open in Acrobat Reader. I get faster scrolling that way rather than opening Acrobat within a browser window.

Jose Salazar said at July 12, 2005 8:55 AM:

Sad but true I have indeed read and currently use psychometrics in my line of work, I am a psychologist. I still say your blanket statement was nothing more then a statement in the wrong direction. After all isnt this about illegal immigration? By the way your qualifiers of who is smarter amongst hispanics is quite telling in how you really view these matters. Passive-agressive racism is still racism. This to me will never be a racial matter.


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Randall Parker said at July 12, 2005 9:19 AM:

Jose,

What you call "passive aggressive racism" I call examining the copious quantities of psychometric research and coming to the glaringly obvious conclusion that there are racial average differences in intelligence. I accept what the psychometricians have found in twins studies, adoption studies, inter-racial comparison studies, brain scan studies, brain weight studies, and many other types of studies that show intelligence has a strong genetic component and that it differs between races. At this point anyone who does not accept the obvious is either ignorant of the relevant research or in denial of the truth. I could point you to the relevant research but by your tone I'm guessing you don't want to know.

Illegal immigration: Certainly it is worse than legal immigration. First off, I certainly oppose lawlessness. There is a "Broken Windows" effect that comes from tolerating large scale violation of laws. Plus, the people on the border suffer terribly from crimes committed by illegals passing thru their properties. The "Broken Windows" effect of a large illegal population helps feed many other kinds of law violations such as tax law violations which have the effect of causing law-breaking businesses to out-compete and displace honest and law-abiding businesses. I could go on. I've written many posts which point to evidence for damage caused by illegal immigration.

Having said all that, I oppose the current high level of legal immigration as well. Some of the legal immigrants are dumb enough that they are net drains on the economy, commit crimes at higher rates, and have much higher rates of assorted social pathologies such as drug addiction, child abuse, and illegitimacy. Hispanic immigrants have twice the illegitimacy rate of whites. Am I supposed to pretend that is not the case because to state it is "passive aggressive racism"? No, I love my country too much to pretend.

I also think we have enough people. I think we could benefit from more brilliant scientists and engineers. But adding another hundred million to our population will raise housing pricse and lower the average quality of life. I also do not think that democracy scales well that high. We were better governed when the elections had smaller numbers of voters voting on a smaller range of issues. The bigger the population becomes the more unwieldy it becomes.

Utah said at July 12, 2005 7:27 PM:

As an employee for a federal non-profit organization, the most educated illegal immigrants we serve are "no education to 8th grade." I'm not one to complain, however, we have uneducated legal American's Citizen's here that are turned down jobs based on the fear of racism or being prejudice. Not being prejudice or racis, I'm a white single mother of three and it is unfair for me to be turned down a job based on my lack of language in spanish. Also, another issue, that needs to be addressed, is illegal immigrants coming to America to have babies. The 14th Amendment was based on slavery. Illegal immigrants come to American knowing that they are breaking the Law and do it on their own chose. Slavery is a different issue. As these illegal's come to America and have their babies, they automaticly qualify for Food Stamps, Welfare (Financial Assistance), medicaide, WIC, heat assistance, and so on. My nephew now 17, is severly disabled, mentally retarded and handicapped. My sister has barrets disease and every day takes care of my nephew since there is no facility to take him everyday. She can't get Welfare. She is a born US Citizen to generation US citizens. Some one said that those that come here are more educated. Well, they probable came here legally. There are so many concerns and problems facing America when we craddle illegal immigrants. We are an English speaking state. I pay my taxes, they don't. Crime is another issues and any diverse culture commits crime. However, another issue, five illegal families living in one house. That is a Board of Health violation. We are a sick nation when it comes to American values.

United States of Aztlan said at July 20, 2005 9:32 AM:

!Viva reconquista! Viva U.S. of Mexico. Reconquista is here, u cant stop us, u r two afrade. Better learn to speak mexican. Ha! Ha!

Ashley said at July 21, 2005 7:16 PM:

Hey!My ex-boyfriend was columbian and puerto-rican and Im white and i loved him so im not racist! But i rants to wheere
should earn their right to come into this country because its not fair to the legal immigrants! Yeah so i agree its gonna become illegal to let illegal immigrants to work ! I think that if u hav kids and ur illegal than its a different thing there so !
Much love peace out ! Not all white girls are bitches!

Lucy said at August 5, 2005 9:03 AM:

For those who say that illegals tkae jobs that Americans don't want... here's a story to prove you wrong. A few years ago, I found myself "underemployed" and so my sis got me a job cleaning house for a rich gay guy. His former housekeeper had left because she had just gotten her green card snd so he (the gay guy) was in need of someone to clean his six-bedroom house every week. I only worked a month before he let me go (actually his boyfriend called and left the message on my answering machine). He later hired an Hispanic lady who speaks no English and is probably illegal. I later heard from my other sister that he had said that was too intelligent to clean houses. Of course, we know the real reason he let me go and hired an illegal.

number7 said at August 17, 2005 3:05 PM:

I'm tired of idiots who have sympathy for Mexicans (illegal and legal). What pisses me off the most is that they refuse to learn to speak English. In fact, they have the lowest Engliah learning rate of all immigrant groups. Less than half of all Mexicans in this country speak Engliah semi-fluently. That is disgraceful. If we do not get our act together, our country will be bilingual. That would suck balls. How many of you are confronted with spanish everyday? I see it in stores, on TV, and on the radio. What is the problem with the government for catering to them. I have read that some people living in heavily hispanic populated areas receive government papers in spanish such as Miami, southern California and Texas. These poor souls receive social security notices in spanish when they have no comprehension of that shitty language. ALL HAIL THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!!!!!!! Naturalized Mexicans and other hispanic groups who do not learn English are disgracing this country. They are not following an American tradition first established by our founding fathers. The future of this nation will be very grim if we do not stop the tides of Mexicans from engulfing our country, language, and culture.

MIguel Garcia said at August 25, 2005 2:25 PM:

I Am Mexican-American and illegal immigration makes me SICK. I hate to see what the failures of a third world county like Mexico are doing to my country. I did not grow up learning Spanish, but now all of these hand-out wanting, undereducated, illegals want me to translate for em. I learned how to say one thing is Spanish.........FUCK YOU!!! A good neghbour does not break into your house and start telling you how to live. When are we going to get sick enough to start booting these motherfuckers outta here. I think we need to start to kick more then just the illegals by the way. If you hold that ugly-ass mexican flag too close to your heart, then you can go with em. Change the 14 amendment so that if you are born here you dont automatically become a citizen. Its a world privilage to be an American. These illegals dont seem to give a rip. Well fuck em!!!!!!!!!!!


VIVA AMERICA

(Where we speak Friggan INGLES)

Miguel

lalala said at October 4, 2005 7:21 PM:

Ok everybody, I'm writing a persuasive essay based on Swift's "A Modest Proposal", and of all topics I chose Mexican Immigrants. This page helped me alot (Bless you Randall for your statistics). So far I've decided that we should: a) send some illegals to Iraq. If they want to live in this country they can fight for it. b) make Mexico into one humongous retirement community (thanks Steve Sailer) where residents are waited on hand and foot 24 hours a day by Mexicans (or really anyone the white supremists deem lowerclass). c) re-instate slavery. d) skin all the Mexicans and make lampshades. Or boots. You know, that dark skin would look quite nice with a little stiletto heel... It'll be the new leather.

Ivette Perenolli said at October 8, 2005 11:42 PM:

I'm tired of all the racism and discrimination against Mexicans. I'm part Mexican and part Italian and I am tired of all the negative things always being said about Mexicans. Why is it that all Americans only pick on Mexicans and not Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Salvadoreans, Asians or/and Armenians, they must too contribute to some of America's problems? Why does it always have to be about Mexicans? Sure, many enter the U.S.A. ilegally but many enter legally and assimilate. Oh! and about Mexicans having an 8th grade education, that is not necessarily true...many Mexicans have a good education and for your information you would have an 8th grade education too if you were poor and couldn't afford to go to school because in Mexico, in case you didn't know, you need to pay to get an education.

I just don't understand all the hate and racism towards Mexicans. Everybody seems to think that they are better than this minority, even minorities. It's stupid to think that you are better than any race just because you are white and happened to be born to a middle class or wealthy family with the mentality that anyone who doesn't have an education didn't want it bad enough, when they should have been taught that not everybody has the same opportunities Americans have and enjoy in America.

ivan said at November 3, 2005 1:45 AM:

ivette perenolli shut the hell up you stupid depressed negative retard. True 100% average American ugly cheap dumb fart can say "i'm superior, because i live in rich country" but than again, that's called sarcasm. There's no such thing as, everyone from one race more superior than everyone from another race, because, there are superior people in both races and low cheap people in both races too. I'm half Italian and half Mexican like everyone else at mexico, I came America dominated a big piece of land, and there ain't shit america can do about it, illegal immagrants should be called "The Mexican Dominators" because every day we're dominating more and more land in America, we are being successful, we've already got a hipanic governor in Arizona, her last name is Napolitano. And yes America is a better country now than it was 100 years ago when it was pure white. I'm an illegal immagrant, for now, in America, but my parents have managed to build apartments and have white trash pay the rent. And my dad also hires white trash to do carpeting, ofcourse we pay them minimum wage and we get the most money. Working slaves! . It's time for a NEW WORLD ORDER!

TIREDOFTHEIGNORANCE said at November 4, 2005 2:42 PM:

ITS crazy to me as I sit here at my College campus to hear/read all this negative talk about MEXICANS, like We're the only people that immigrate here, commit crimes, and work hard and get paid minimum wage. Thats nonsense. My father has a PH.D is Sociology and is a Dean at a community college. He's 2nd generation. All of my aunts and my uncle have at LEAST their Bachelor's Degree...yet some of you ignorant WHITE folks write that No mexican has contributed Positively to society? I'll tell you what, every time I get on the freeway to get to class or get to work, I have to uncomfortably sit at the red light next to healthy WHITE people standing there with a sign...begging for money...how is that contributing??? then right next to the bum with the sign...a Latino...selling flowers...I'd say he's contributing WAY more that that white person. I would be very interested in finding out exactly where these statistics are all coming from....and if you had any intelligence at all you would know...OF COURSE there's going to be MORE Mexcicans in jails when 80% of the entire population of a particular area....LA for example is MEXICAN!!

Tania L Robles Navarrete said at November 21, 2005 9:55 AM:

I am a new immigrant to the USA on the basis of marriage. After reading this article, I am terribly upset and offended at both George Borjas and Dan Griswold for generalizing the way they did in this article. Shame on Harvard!!
How dare you generalize by writing such a false statement as "The Mexicans who are still in Mexico are even less educated than the ones who immigrate to the United States!" I can see that you two have not taken a drive around the USA countryside. From the southern States excluding your 50 something major cities, there are people as ignorant as any other third world country capable of developing such illogical thoughts better known as stupidity in the conversational world.
When you do your research please include that the medium to upper class of Mexico DO NOT MIGRATE from Mexico on the basis of wanting to cross the “Heaven’s Door”. Some do to develop a business or to grow in a career not yet developed in Mexico. But I can assure you two that most of us dislike being in a country with such a high rate of crime, violence, drug use, abuse, sexually transmitted diseases, consumism, broken families, lack of manners, etc that believes to be “the best”, best in what?.
I speak two languages perfectly, and studied a little French too; I am studying to get two majors in Criminal Justice and Spanish with a minor in Sociology at UNLV. My brothers are both bilingual engineers graduated from two of the best private Universities in Mexico (InstitutoTecnologico de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey and Universidad La Salle), my mother is a Teacher with a Masters Degree in Pedagogy while my Dad is a retired CPA. All my friends who did not get a degree are people you can actually have a good political conversation or bilingual chats.
Medium class people try really hard to keep climbing the ladder of class by providing their kids with education, not with worthless possessions like a car and a cell phone.
How many Anglos are bilingual or even well educated? Your people do not go to college in high percentages, not even medium class people. Most of your youth are ignorant of their own history so please avoid generalizing like you did because your people read Harvard and actually believe what you write! Talk about us too, people who study, people who are bound for good, people who want to do important things and actually have a good chance of doing them. Talk about our rich, our educated people who would do great at any school in the world.
Yes, there is a lot of ignorance in Mexico, probably 50% are truly more ignorant than those who migrate to the US but there’s not much we taxpayers who account for less than 30% of the population can do for them. We can only bring them water, electricity and basic education and we are already giving 35% of our paychecks to “Uncle Juan” so until these people realize that if we all pay taxes, even 10% of what we ALL make, there will not be enough money for the government to spend on the people. We are already doing miracles here keeping our cities nice, decently clean and moderately safe.

White American male said at December 7, 2005 10:17 AM:

Please stop ALL the non-sense. Illegal immigration is bad for all people. Illegal immigrants in this country are victimized by crime, disease, and discrimination every day. All of which goes unreported because of their status. That doesn’t make any sense.
Not learning how to understand and speak English is a disservice to those who immigrate here illegally. How can anyone expect to get ahead when they do not speak, or refuse to learn, the language of the country?
People that try to make this a racial issue should be ashamed of themselves. To single out an entire group of people simply based on their ethnic heritage is misguiding and serves only to discredit the real importance of this issue. WHO WE ARE AS A COUNTRY is completely subjective. From lily white to dark as night, we are ALL AMERICANS. Hard working people dedicated to taking care of their families and their lives. The Americans that I know celebrate differences and cherish similarities.

Any one from any country living here illegally needs to leave. That it, enough said. Our responsibility as Americans is to take care of our own. We fight wars to protect the rights and privileges for all people living in this country legally. Let’s not give it away…

Jazmin Arana said at December 11, 2005 5:10 PM:

THIS GOES TO MIGUEL GARCIA & NUMBER 7. YOU KNOW WHAT HOMIES YOU NEED TO SHUT UP CUZ THIS WAS OUR COUNTRY BEFORE YOUR A** CAME SO NOW WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also Miguelito look whos talking we don't know how to speak ENGLISH LOOK at your a** who writes the word FRIGGAN? EXPLAIN THAT TO ME!! AND # 7 PLEASE HOMIE Your just jealous cuz you can't speak it when you hear someone talk spanish on tv, at the store, or anywhere else you think to your self as a dumb a**. You know what else were bilingual so that means we have more oppurtunities to get a job unlike you homie!!!! SO you to need to stop hatin on my RAZA!!!!!!!!! So you know I was born and raised in the US but I like going to mexico cuz no one can compete with the LATINOS! SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU ALL OUT THERE THAT HATE, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO TELL YOU US LATINOS ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT I STILL LOVE ALL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT AREN'T HATERZ I AIN"T RACIST LIKE SOME B****ES HERE.

Jose Salazar said at December 12, 2005 4:46 AM:

You sound very misdirected Jazmin and young as well. Also I think the word you might be looking for is middle Tania, not medium. I dont hate mexicans, I am disgusted by the country of mexico for dumping its issues on the US. this is the start of any beef I have with Mexico. Sorry to tell you Jazmin but you seem like a prime example of whats wrong with the Mexican immigrant and their children. They as a whole seem very content to live in one country and sing the praises of another. IF ITS SO DARN WONDERFUL WHY DID YOU LEAVE? Seems like the biggest problem facing these young latinos is their ability to understand what it means to be a American. Im sorry Jazmin all these great jobs and choices you think you have, you never could have gotten them in your parents country and they know that. I dont suppose you could say the pledge of alleg1ance and mean it, could ya ?

brittany said at December 21, 2005 3:22 AM:

no they shouldnt get the same rights why dont you stay in ur own country if ur not willing to learn our language and
any of our legal rules you shouldnt live here your not doing anything but taking jobs from us AMERICANS you dont have to ruin our country because u didnt havemoney in yours thats not our fault so dont make us have to pay for mistakes ur government makes.
how would u like it if u were at the top of your game making millions then u get fired because they say an american is
cheaper than what their paying you?? now your just making that persons life the same way yours was. And for Jazmin if you latinos were at the top of ur game u wouldnt need to come here and FUCK up our counrty im sure u didnt think of that
did u??!!?? yes i have latino friends and i do speak spanish but wwe shouldnt have to adjust to the mexicans way of life it should be the other way around and no being bilingual doesnt always mean u can get every job, if u go to work at the FBI thyell probably turn you down because by then plenty of people are are ready speaking spanish AGAIN this is only AMERICANS having to adapt to ur language thats the only reason they want bilingual people to talk to those who dont know our language and in a sense its disrespectful because if i take the FUCKING time in school to SPEAK FUCKING SPANISH JUST SO YEARS LATER I CAN FUCKING SAY OLA COME TE LAMAS?? U GOT ANOTHER THING COMING ITS A WASTE OF TIME FOR ME TO LEARN A LANGUAGE THAT I SHOULDNT BE SPEAKING WHEN THE LKANGUAGE OF MY COUNTRY IN FUCKING ENGLISH!!!!

ana said at March 2, 2006 8:15 PM:

As an mexican immigrant here in the States, i can say that it has given me great opportunites. I also think that the US has benefited from US immigration and Mexican resources. Mexicans come to the US to work, make money for their family. Latin cultures involve the family and the love for their own, alot more than whites do. We have always know to put our family first. This is why we continue to send our grandmother money for her medicine. Many people forget that many of the services (food, clothing, medical, taxi's, roads) are used by the immigrants and that if the population stopped its growth it would also hault the economic growth. It is time to realize that immigration creates jobs, because it increases economic growth. I am a mexican immigrant and would love to see my country find its way out of the economic hole that is in, and I as a Mexican will help it to grow; not by stealing jobs from Americans, however by working hard as my ancestors and family always has. Many whites will not hire American workers simply because they know that Mexican workers will work more effeciently and for a lower price. We must respect one another, and work hard to make not only Mexico and US a better place, but the entire nation. Remember change begins with you.

Randall Parker said at March 9, 2006 5:00 PM:

I delete posts that are all in capital letters.

Several generation American said at March 22, 2006 6:00 PM:

Very funny miss Jenny. Only not true,our Native Indians hate you too.

oso said at March 28, 2006 12:24 PM:

to all you mexican and hispanic haters out there f*** your life. your just mad because we are taking what's ours back slowly but surely. you call us dumb look at your president just killing people because he wants that oil so he can benifit from it right. but that's the white way to be GREEDY. majority of you are just a bunch of selfish people. what can brown do for you everything because white's can do nothing right so they call on the colored people to do it. In my opinion i want to see who you know it alls vote in next probly some other dumbfuck huh.

Jaime Garica said at March 30, 2006 3:36 PM:

Oso sounds like an idiot with too much time on his hands. Hes a hater himself if you look at his own words/ I have a feeling you dont have a clue about what it means to have an American heart. Why suffer then. If you hate America or any Americans that much, then leave and go on thinking like a teenage looser.

Jaime said at March 30, 2006 3:39 PM:

I quote "We must respect one another, and work hard to make not only Mexico and US a better place, but the entire nation. Remember change begins with you". Respect? You actually have the nerve to use the word RESPECT?!!?? Boy oh boy are you shooting with an empty gun. Respect starts when people can come into a country and respect its laws. This is something that Mexico seems to have missed the boat on. Respect is earned. You and your way of thinking is ass backwards. You and people like you want Respect for illegally crossing a boarder and taking a job you think no one else will have (like there was no America before Mexico). And what’s with your stupid comment about latin culture "Latin cultures involve the family and the love for their own, alot more than whites do. We have always know to put our family first. This is why we continue to send our grandmother money for her medicine". Sounds racist to me. I wonder how many white people you actually think you know and as far as Latin culture. Being Mexican-American Myself I gotta tell ya you are living in some sorta LA LA LAND. We are no better then other people. I wonder what on Earth you happen to think of people from other racial groups. Do yourself a favor and stop making poor excuses for a country that has clearly dumped its problems and people on the great nation of The United States of America. Because honestly if your are the best they can do as far as apologist then we need to build the freaking WALL ASAP to keep more of you idiots from wandering over here and needing crap in Spanish. GET REAL ANA

Sincerely,
Jaime (Third generation mexican-AMERICAN and Damn happy to say it)
INS tipline-1866-347-2423

brenda guevara said at April 2, 2006 1:50 PM:

i am an american woman who got mixed up with a hispanic man. its been eight long years og being beaten, stalked and just plain screwed over.... we did get married however i found out that he already has a wife and three kids in mexico. most of the guys comming here to the united states get with women that in turn help them. they live a lot of the time in public housing so, they pay no rent and they use the womans foodstamps. the men hurry up and get a lot of these women pregnant so they have kids here.the only thing these men know about relationships is they say, i love you to every woman they meet just in order to keep her.that is their way of getting sex.. the men comming here only think of two things, sex and money.. these women better open their eyes and see that when they are done using you they will have a lot of money in mexico and after awhile they will be gone back to live with their own women, mexican women.

brenda guevara said at April 2, 2006 1:50 PM:

i am an american woman who got mixed up with a hispanic man. its been eight long years og being beaten, stalked and just plain screwed over.... we did get married however i found out that he already has a wife and three kids in mexico. most of the guys comming here to the united states get with women that in turn help them. they live a lot of the time in public housing so, they pay no rent and they use the womans foodstamps. the men hurry up and get a lot of these women pregnant so they have kids here.the only thing these men know about relationships is they say, i love you to every woman they meet just in order to keep her.that is their way of getting sex.. the men comming here only think of two things, sex and money.. these women better open their eyes and see that when they are done using you they will have a lot of money in mexico and after awhile they will be gone back to live with their own women, mexican women.

unknown said at June 26, 2006 3:08 PM:

In responce to Brenda Guevara,
I was born in El Salvador, raised in california since age 7. After most of my life here in the states, I realize the importance of getting along with every nationality. This is an immigrant, beautiful and free country.
I believe every one here has all the right to express the good principles of their culture.
I also believe that Mexicans or Mexican-Americans(Chicanos), have every right to express their good values of their rich culture here in this beautiful America.
Their filosophy, culture, politics and art as well as their family values are overall, an inspiration and example to the rest of us.
Those against these facts, are found in the neccesity to open their minds in order to view
the sovereignity of the Mexican people in the USA and/or worldwide as well.


Thank You

known said at August 7, 2006 7:56 PM:

hey Unknown,

you are a uneducated about facts here and while Im not a spelling be champ or anything, filosophy doesnt even sound like spanish let alone English.
I say send em home if they cant demonstrate any respect for our laws

Known

Steve the American said at August 9, 2006 8:23 PM:

If you ask me, it seems like American culture is starting to disintegrate. If illegal immagrants are coming into this country, they should respect the laws, pay taxes, learn English, and become a model American (which is what they came here for anyway). Diversity is not a bad thing, after all, America is a melting pot of culture and diversity. I myself am German, Italian (4th generation), and Irish too! . Even though I like to embrace these cultures, I still stick close to American traditions. Mexican immigrants should do this too. Apple pie, baseball, and Chevrolet! To keep things balanced (so that in 5 years, America will not all be one ethnic culture), we should help Mexico develop, so instead of all of the Mexicans coming here, they can get an education and a job in their own country. Mexico should not dump it's problems on the U.S.

Steve the American said at August 9, 2006 8:37 PM:

In America, we don't want the over-saturation of one culture. Diversity is a good thing, and it feels like the illegal Mexican immagrants are taking over. We can't have that. Alot of Mexicans are hard workers and come to America to find jobs. If we strenthen Mexico's economy, the immagrants can find work there. Problem solved. Mexicans have jobs and schools, and America is not swamped with population!

Jody said at September 14, 2006 5:11 PM:

All I got to say is...... There are SORRY MEXICAN'S out there JUST LIKE There are GOOD MEXICAN'S out there.
There are SORRY WHITE'S out there JUST LIKE There are GOOD WHITE'S out there.
There are SORRY BLACK'S out there JUST LIKE There are GOOD BLACK'S out there.

The Goverment is the only one that can change how things are in the United States.
If any of you wont to change America, Start By Voting!

martha said at October 31, 2006 5:16 AM:

I don't know why the government is making a big deal about illegals here in america!!Me as a mexican don't see a point to this whole problem!Why doesn't the government deport terrorists such as the one that attacked the twin towers in 2001.Why do other latinos get a better chance to become a citizen faster than mexicans.For example cubans!While mexico is helping america,america is stabbing mexico in the back.Mexico is not nobodies slave especially not americas.I think the government and president are paranoid,they think that mexcians are smarter and they are scared that mexicans will take over america,that's the problem!!

Randall Parker said at October 31, 2006 4:02 PM:

Martha,

No, Mexican immigration is not helping America. It is hurting America.

lizbeth said at December 5, 2006 10:59 AM:

i am proud to be mexican and wat.........
we all have the same rights........
this is a fucken free country........
why the hell do they name this
a free country if it aint.........
im tierd of this and when i be......
the 1 women to be president of the united
states i am gonna stop this!!!!

[ParaPundit comments: I cut back on a long string of exclamation points. If I see more profanity I'll just start deleting comments that contain them.]

fuck all white people by \:nancy rodriguez said at December 5, 2006 11:13 AM:

mxicans are life thats how i feel!!!!!!!!!!
fuck all white peopel and thats another of my feelings !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who the fuck you see working in them fillds oh!!! yes mexicans and who said we dont pay taxes ha????? exacly!!! no answer why because we do pay for our taxes fuck all rasies peopel and thats how i feel


mexicans 4 life

lizbeth said at December 11, 2006 10:52 AM:

to Randall Parker,

why is it hurting america...
no its not hurting it!!!!!


destinye harris said at December 11, 2006 11:09 AM:

yall talking bout how mexicans this n da right! right! well first of all the only people doing work here is us the mexicans yall white bitches don't do shit no shit cuz if yall want to know who this is find me if oyu can i live in Crenshaw mother fucker you mama be sucking on dick anyway

ray said at December 11, 2006 8:18 PM:

all u people that
talk about mexicans
are the ones that r stupid..
not us...
shit we work harder than ur dumbasses
all ya do is sit there
and whatch like
lazy bumbs...we do the tripple of work than
ur lazy bumds ...the more the
mexicans here in the U.S the better because california
will turn into a
hard working
state!!!!!!!!!!!i wouldn't be talking smack about mexicans
!!!!!!!!!mexicans r smarter then
ur dumbass family that all they think
about is us........hahahahahahaha

charles darwin said at January 14, 2007 2:15 PM:

want the truth, truth & truth.

mexicans have an IQ around 85. do a search on google. yahoo.

mexicans are not smart people.

mexico is 3rd world nation. brings 3rd world to 1st world nation.

witness japan, IQ-105. compared to mexico of IQ-85. a gap of 20 points.

the gap of 20 IQ points can mean the difference between a 3rd nation and a 1st world nation.

do you want USA to turn into a 3rd world nation.

jose salazar said at February 25, 2007 6:47 PM:

IQ (intelligence, smarts, brains or lack of brains) is key at the center of immigration debate. the truth.

Has anyone been to Mexico? been to Tijuana, mexico or walked over the river into mexico from Texas.
Mexico is not far away, next to USA. go see for yourself.

Mexico is a 3rd world nation.
USA and Canada are 1st world nations.

USA is bounded in the south by a massive 100-million 3rd world nation.
No lie. go see for yourself.

There is a gap of 13-15 points between u.s. whites and mexicans.
The gap of 15 points can mean the difference between a 1st world nation and a 3rd world nation.

Do you want USA to become a 3rd world nation.
do you want to live in shanties.
do you want to earn $10 a day for your work.

Just say NO.
we do not want USA to become a 3rd world nation.

the Truth

chill, im a MEXICAN cutting grass, ur unemployed,,,,,keep payin' ur taxessS! :) said at April 13, 2007 7:16 PM:

It KILLS you to see a MEXICAN with his own company cutting lawns and making more money in a day than you make in a week.

It KILLS you to see a MEXICAN student recieve the scholorship that your child could have gotten, but wasn't good enough.

IT KILLS you to enter a any shop & have the owner be MEXICAN.

It KILLS you to see a MEXICAN driving a car that you will never be able to afford.

It KILLS you to talk to a MEXICAN & realize he is smarter than you.

It KILLS you to argue about MEXICANS and have nothing on them.

Its funny how you keep talking about the MEXICANS. Keep talking, you can talk and talk & talk some more, but while ur GENIUS ass sits at home remember who is running your country. Bush as President, bush's stupidity represents the stupidity of those millions of AMERICANS who voted for him. MAybe u guys aren't so smart after all. DO this for me:

*Why don't you recall: at the exit of a freeway, what was that sign that that white man was holding up??
it clearly read "WAR VETERAN" please help.

* before you buy tortillas, check the name.

* when you lift the fruit off the shelves at the market, think about who touched it first.

* Next time you honk at a car because of their bad driving, remember that mexicans eyes aren't stretched out.

* When you drive up to pick up ur prostitute, make sure to take a flashlight, & even in the dark you will see that she is not light skinned.

* when u see a MEXICAN ask for his/her heritage, u will learn something new, something that ur high skilled brain failed to see.

* next time you want to critizize a MEXICAN think that by doing that, you simply bring out all the anger that you have accumilated due to other misfortunes in ur life, because you are a screw up.

*but MOST IMPORTANTLY think that you cannot change ANYTHING:
dont explain to us ur reasons...

we don't care what you think.
what makes you think that we want to hear from an unemployed white person?
we have too many things to do.

like go cut lawns, harvest the fruit, etc.
go out have fun, when you see us around, hate on us, gives us more fuel to continue doin' what were doin'...
& when you don't see us think of us...

It KILLS you to see a MEXICAN with his own company cutting lawns and making more money in a day than you make in a week.

It KILLS you to see a MEXICAN student recieve the scholorship that your child could have gotten, but wasn't good enough.

IT KILLS you to enter a any shop & have the owner be MEXICAN.

It KILLS you to see a MEXICAN driving a car that you will never be able to afford.

It KILLS you to talk to a MEXICAN & realize he is smarter than you.

It KILLS you to argue about MEXICANS and have nothing on them.

Its funny how you keep talking about the MEXICANS. Keep talking, you can talk and talk & talk some more, but while ur GENIUS ass sits at home remember who is running your country. Bush as President, bush's stupidity represents the stupidity of those millions of AMERICANS who voted for him. MAybe u guys aren't so smart after all. DO this for me:

*Why don't you recall: at the exit of a freeway, what was that sign that that white man was holding up??
it clearly read "WAR VETERAN" please help.

* before you buy tortillas, check the name.

* when you lift the fruit off the shelves at the market, think about who touched it first.

* Next time you honk at a car because of their bad driving, remember that mexicans eyes aren't stretched out.

* When you drive up to pick up ur prostitute, make sure to take a flashlight, & even in the dark you will see that she is not light skinned.

* when u see a MEXICAN ask for his/her heritage, u will learn something new, something that ur high skilled brain failed to see.

* next time you want to critizize a MEXICAN think that by doing that, you simply bring out all the anger that you have accumilated due to other misfortunes in ur life, because you are a screw up.

*but MOST IMPORTANTLY think that you cannot change ANYTHING:
dont explain to us ur reasons...

we don't care what you think.
what makes you think that we want to hear from an unemployed white person?
we have too many things to do.

like go cut lawns, harvest the fruit, etc.
go out have fun, when you see us around, hate on us, gives us more fuel to continue doin' what were doin'...
& when you don't see us think of us...

JERRY said at April 14, 2007 5:42 PM:

JOSE, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU ? AMERICANS ARE A MIX OF PROBABLY EVERY NATIONALITY IN THE WORLD, THE UNITED STATES TAKES IN MORE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS YEARLY THAN DOES ANY OTHER COUNTRY , MANY ARE MEXICAN. WHAT WE OBJECT TO ARE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS FLOODING INTO OUR COUNTRY, MOSTLY FROM MEXICO, AND VERY POORLY EDUCATED, AND AS A RESULT, MANY ILLEGALS GO ON SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE PAID FOR BY AMERICAN TAXPAYERS.AROUND EIGHTY BILLION DOLLARS IN SERVICES WAS SUCKED OFF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER LAST YEAR ALONE. BUT I GUESS YOU FIGURE THAT'S OK,RIGHT? I AM STILL SCRATCHING MY HEAD OVER SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE, WHO CARES ABOUT TORTILLAS? ARE YOU JUSTIFYING ILLEGALS BEING HERE BECAUSE THEY MAKE TORTILLAS? AS FAR AS BUYING FRUIT,IT IS USUALLY COMING FROM SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN AMERICA OR MEXICO, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT MEXICAN'S EYES AREN'T STRETCHED OUT LIKE AMERICANS EYES. ARE YOU CONDONING, OR AGAIN,TRYING TO JUSTIFY BAD DRIVING HABITS BY ILLEGALS WITH THIS ABSURD STATEMENT? YOU DO REALIZE THAT SOME AMERICANS ARE OF ASIAN DESCENT, AND ARE VERY GOOD DRIVERS,DON'T YOU? I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE ME ON THE WHORE THING,I HAVEN'T BEEN TAKING MY FLASHLIGHT LATELY, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IT REALLY HELPS TO HAVE ONE HANDY, DON'T YOU AGREE? NO MORE SKANK HO'S FOR ME! ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW JOSE,IF ALL THE MEXICAN PEOPLE ARE AS INDUSTRIOUS AS YOU SAY THEY ARE, THEN WHY IS MEXICO SUCH A CRAPHOLE? WHY AREN'T YOU THERE RIGHT NOW CUTTING GRASS,WASHING DISHES,BLOWING LEAVES AROUND, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, ALL THE REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT MAKE A COUNTRY GREAT!! JOSE, ACTUALLY, AMERICA WOULD BE A LOT BETTER OFF WITHOUT ILLEGALS SUCKING IT DRY. ALSO, YOUR LETTER WAS ABOUT THE MOST CONVOLUTED BUNCH OF BULL CRAP I'VE EVER READ. I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR SOME MORE OF YOUR GIBBERISH.

don't know said at August 11, 2007 6:44 PM:

Iam only a high school education,some vo-tech behind me,but when I read of how smart the mexicans are,first of all learn how to spell right,capitalize your I in a sentance,no I don't hate anyone,I work with a lot of illegals,but don't come to my country and demand all rights given to you,you come, come with a visa,make it better for you to be a little well liked by the Americans,and yes my great-great-grandparents did come from Canada,but back then things were different,they didn't need papers,they learned the english, and spoke it out in the public,at home spoke their own. If you want the help from America because of your gov't,then ask for it,we as the U.S.milatary would love to go down and straighten up your govt.,if you so love your country,and speak bad of America,then one question,why are you here? EVERYONE LOVES THE AMERICAN DOLLAR,BUT HATES THE AMERICAN!

charles darwin said at December 9, 2007 2:54 PM:

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind93/chap1/gif/01-0993.gif

What Dr. James D. Watson said is totally True.

The races do have different races.

Africans in usa have IQ of 82-85.

15-18 gap with whites of 100

Africans in africa have IQ of 70 in sub-saharian africa.

All facts known to the world via internet and google.

Google the truth. google truth.

Look at SAT scores from NSF: national science foundation.

Races do diifer in IQ scores.

Races differ in SAT scores. From the National science foundation

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind93/chap1/gif/01-0993.gif

clad isbullshit said at December 27, 2007 2:12 PM:

fuck mexico
fuck clad

Vernell Lowe said at February 19, 2008 2:48 PM:

If you go outside and look around you will see Mexicans and babies everywhere, these Mexicans did not bring these kids here to the US. They had them here, this means they did not come here to feed there kids. They came here to breed out this country.

josh stein said at March 7, 2008 2:07 PM:

where is mexico?
has anyone been to mexico?
is mexico on mars, jupiter or saturn?
usa has a 3rd-world nation on its southern border
workers there make $40 a week.
we need the fence between usa-mexico

canada, 1st world
usa, 1st. world
mexico, 3rd world.

if we want to keep usa as a 1st world nation
we got build a big, big fence between usa-mexico.
visit mexico yourself if you live the 3rd-world so much
it the real truth

juan valdez said at March 20, 2008 2:00 PM:

Nature has Never, Never, and will Never create Equality.

Nature does Not create Equality.

Dr. James D. Watson certainly thinks so.

People seperated by thousand of years by land, are Not going to have the same
languages, culture, religion, IQ, customs, work ethics all over the world.

google: IQ of races

google: SAT scores of races

google: IQ map of world.

google: CIA factbook

google: Income of races.

Nature does Not create Equality. Nature Never has and Never will make Equality.

Nature does not Make Equality.

AHM said at December 18, 2008 3:59 AM:

America i believe in your christ not on your christians because you christians are so different from your christ (paraphrase); to believe something and follow the opposite is dishonest
-may god never stop blessing you and in his pursue of so may he also warm-en and soften your hearts

Julio H. said at January 7, 2009 11:52 AM:

I am mexican and i love cleaning race horse stalls, stables, and cleaning doodee from those areas. My white trainer boss man pays me minimum wage sometimes and I am so blessed. For christmas time, he sometimes gives me 35 dollar bonus --imagine that after working 24/7 getting up at 4 AM everyday i get a huge 35 dollar amount--l love USA--we mexicans can be exploited, slave workers for the rich white man at those horse tracks.. If i take day off---its termacion de trabajo--love america, love it, thank you stupid gabachos.

Julio H. said at January 7, 2009 11:53 AM:

I am mexican and i love cleaning race horse stalls, stables, and cleaning doodee from those areas. My white trainer boss man pays me minimum wage sometimes and I am so blessed. For christmas time, he sometimes gives me 35 dollar bonus --imagine that after working 24/7 getting up at 4 AM everyday i get a huge 35 dollar amount--l love USA--we mexicans can be exploited, slave workers for the rich white man at those horse tracks.. If i take day off---its termacion de trabajo--love america, love it, thank you stupid gabachos.

SALVADOR ESQUIVEL said at April 11, 2009 12:30 PM:

i love to read comments that involve statements saying the average mexican iq is 85 when mine is actually 120
but what can i do?
and i just wonder if we are really a harm for the united states?
why haven't the government done anything???
i mean this have been a issue for a while now...
the average american iq is 98
50% of americans will never even finish 4 years of college and get a career,
we are not taking away anything...
i mean mexicans can't go to college without a social security number
i have never seen a brilliant american,with a 4.0 in high school not get a scholarship,
or be told they can't go to an university because a mexican stole his/her opportunity
my friend(mexican of course),just like your friend typing these very words
got a million dollars in scholarships,
if you don't want us here...
DON'T OPEN THE DOORS FOR US...
but it's obvious the U.S needs us
otherwise the most powerful nation in the world would've already kicked us out...
SALVADOR ESQUIVEL
FEEL FREE TO REPLY
THE U.S IS A FREE COUNTRY
LET'S KEEP THE U.S AN UNITED NATION

James Rodriguez said at April 12, 2009 1:02 PM:

Or could it be Salvador that we in America haven't totally lost the meaning of the word compassion?

You can hate all you want (or be scared of what people think). Its going to be meaningless.

I am Mexican-American and I dislike the way Mexico treats America and its people. It seems clear the one country that is not blamed for Mexican woes, is
Mexico. If they gave a rats-a##, they would offer more and whine less. Lastly its not America who did anything to these people. And yes they do break

our laws. If Mexico as a nation is going to ever be a friend to America, it needs to know what sovereignty means. A friend does not break into your home

and take your money, care, food, resources, and start telling you how to live. And start telling you that you can't talk to them in your language in your

own home. Too much fear in these immigrants and perhaps too much hand-holding/ compassion from us Americans. I think we need to find a way to see this problems for what it is, Mexican arrogance and neglect of its own people. Somehow America is viewed as the source of Mexican plight.

i said at September 15, 2009 8:47 PM:

The wealth and strength of USA is their DIVERSITY. Always more and more people coming in from different places of the world, creating and seteling in different regions. USA still is inmense,huge massive and natural richnes is everywhere. It is the constant coming and growing population that keeps this diverse country growing in wealth and knowldege. And it is the COnstitution, wisely made that has organized the population to live in Peace and together.
Anyone who is not liking what they are seeing, perhaps they are living in the wrong area, or are not compassive enough to understand that once your ancesters where also in that boat,came in looking for better oportunities and yourself have forgoten and have no compassion for others.
That generation that you see pushing the stroller with 4 kids following them.They are the future of USA and will be with the education that they will get. will grow grateful and humble to this powerfull nation. It is them who USA is breeding in to knowldege, and strength and yes it is their face that America is changing in to.
Who ever is not liking it must look themselves in to the mirror and think, why am I against this?
We are a young strong Country with an aging population, and thanks to all those children following the stroller, we will have diversity, population, future and hope in USA.God Bless America!

anon said at September 25, 2009 1:45 PM:

we are paying taxes to assist foreigners to learn english. does anyone realize that? there are 40 million people living in America that have yet to learn our language because us English-speaking Americans are paying taxes so forms can be in both spanish and english. how is that fair? why should i waste my time working hard when a portion is going to someone worse off than me due to that fact that they are refusing to find help in adjusting. Everything is given to them. Documents, mail, instructions, school. why not assist chinese immigrants? Vietnamese? We destroyed their country. Don't we owe it more to them than to mexico? I got a little german in me, should i protest against the U.S for not assisting german immigrants and not havings german as a side language? If you really think about it, there are more chinese in the U.S than Mexicans, cubans, etc. You have to realize that we are helping Mexico when we should NOT be. We are aiding them, aiding everyone, when we should be aiding our allies. We owe NOTHING to Mexico. And yet they treat us as dirt because we don't care what's happening in their country because they're our "neighbor." I'm sorry, I really don't care about your fight. I'm more concerned about how I am going to survive in my own country. I have NOTHING to work off of and you don't see my country doing anything about it. Stop your whining. At least you're not in a genocide war in darfur. :)
also stop sending your children on a pointless quest only to have them return molested, abused, and angry. teach them how to survive in your own area. we can do nothing for them. i had a mexican student in my 2nd grade class and all he did was rot away in the corner working out of mexican-based school books. He never adapted. No one ever tried to "pay" to help him. It was a sad situation. He lived in my neighborhood and I recently saw him getting picked up by a van to go do lawn work. My dad, who is a drummer, did lawn work with his guitarist fried at some point because money was tight in my family. he had to compete against a truck filled with 20 spanish workers. All in all, if we are not taking the time to educate someone to succeed and in return grant more variety of people a job, instead of his spanish siblings and friends, then what's the point? why should I hire You? You will only hire someone just like you. I am white, you assume I must be better off because of it. I'm not.

David said at December 15, 2009 3:44 AM:

Everyone's comments are incredible! WOW!

I am an American of Mexican heritage not Mexican-American. To me, putting a nationality in front of American is a form of racism and suppression. FYI - African-Americans. Where do you see German or British-Americans? My family has been here for hundreds of years, no need to make one feel less than the other.

La Raza - Mexican or quote on quote being part of a group called Latino is not a race. There is no such thing as race, there are no races in this world, google it and educate yourself stop being blinded by what Bubba taught you. Get over racism it does not work, that's what is wrong with Mexico today. White Mexican Spaniards forcing native Mexicans to look elsewhere to survive.

IQ. It's funny for college educated people to come on here and state that Mexicans have an IQ of 85 or 10% lower than Whites. My IQ is at 120 and if you want to compare yourself with a group of people living in a third world country with a third world economy and education than that's fine by me. I could only imagine what their IQ would be if they had a better governed country, to be living in those conditions and only be off by 10% leads me to believe that people of Mexican origin are extraordinarily intelligent.

FYI - Mexican immigrants are slow to assimilate until their second generation because 1. They work 24/7 and 2. For decades they were forced to live together in communities outside of White areas. Immigrants or even citizens of Mexican and or Spanish origin were forced to attend Mexican schools. google it, oh I so love the internet.

To all creations of GOD - I love you. I urge you to look past most comments above or below me, they come from wannabe minds that don't even know that Ted Williams was Mexican (he can tell you why Mexicans don't assimilate)and that the Swastika is a symbol of peace.


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