2002 September 18 Wednesday
If We Really Want To Reduce Illegal Immigration

Illegal immigration could be reduced fairly easily. My modest proposal: Offer a reward per illegal immigrant reported to the authorities. Any citizen or legal resident should be able to earn some amount of money for turning in illegals.

How much money would make a sufficiently large incentive for this to work? My guess is that the program should start with a smaller amount of money (say $100) and see how well it works. This will basically net the easiest ones to find. After running the program with the smaller amount raise it to a higher amount (say $500 or $1000). Also, by starting lower we avoid a deluge that overwhelms the ability of the INS to process them.

Allow local law enforcement organizations to turn in illegals as well. Whether the money should go to police agencies or to the individual police officers could be left for each local law enforcement agency to decide. It is not clear to me whether law enforcement agencies should get more or less or the same amount as private citizens for turning in illegal immigrants.

How much money would such a program cost the taxpayers? Well, we need to start with an estimate of the number of illegal immigrants living in the US:

Census estimates show that the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States rose nearly 5 million during the decade, to 8.7 million in 2000.

If the $100 reward amount was completely successful the cost in reward money would be at most $870 million to eliminate all the illegals. Of course, in the face of such a huge crackdown some illegals would flee in advance of being caught. Yet others would continue to come into the country. But with greatly increased prospects of getting caught far fewer would try to enter the country in the first place.

There would be additional costs for the administrative processing and transportation to deport all the illegals. So the costs would run into the billions. Still, there would be a net savings to taxpayers from reduced demands for social services, education, and health care.

Note to citizens of other industrialized countries: This plan would work for your countries as well.

Share |      By Randall Parker at 2002 September 18 04:02 PM  Immigration Law Enforcement


Comments
freddie said at September 19, 2002 12:26 PM:

Illegals? A number of yearts ago, in his grand book titled Consilence, E.O. Wilson noted that the two big problems our earth would soon face would be a drastic shortage of drinking water and a huge migration of peoples seeking a place where they could susteain life for themselves and their families....not matter what barriers were put up to prevent them from migrating.
Why would illegals want to come to, say America? Easy: work. Who hires them at sub-standard wages? American citizens. If there were hardly jobs available even at lousy salaries would they bother to risk life and limb to get here? No. Then the next move is clearly......figure out the logic.

Randall Parker said at September 19, 2002 1:35 PM:

Freddie, if your argument is that the people who hire illegals should be punished be aware of the arguments against it. The biggest argument is that it is difficult to tell who is illegal. I live in a town where you can go into some stores and hear more Spanish than English (as I did on a recent visit to Ross's Dress For Less). Well, how many of them are illegal? Some are. Some have residency or citizenship from previous amnesties. But for the illegals fake identification papers can be purchased. So how do you tell them apart?

Of course, this makes it hard to know who to turn in to get a bounty as per my suggestion. But some people end up knowing who is illegal because they overhear conversations or someone does a transparently bad job or lying or due to other reasons. So some people know illegals they could turn in. Its especially going to be the case among low hourly wage workers who will end up finding out which other workers are illegals.

As for people coming here for drinking water or other dire reasons: The people in really dire straits are in Africa. The people in Mexico mostly just want to make more money than they can make in Mexico. Lots of people come here who are not starving but who just want higher living standards.

Allan Wall said at September 24, 2002 6:19 PM:

Randall, you really hit the nail on the head with what you said at the end: "The people in Mexico mostly just want to make more money than they can make in Mexico. Lots of people come here who are not starving but just want higher living standards." As a resident of Mexico I can confirm that. The vast wage disparity tempts even Mexicans who already have jobs to emigrate, and it wreaks havoc on family life. If the U.S. wants to help Mexico, shut the gate.

Matthew Felix said at January 25, 2003 7:27 AM:

Does anyone have a link where I could find U.S population distribution of ethnic Saudis? If not, can anyone give me a ballpark estimate of the total number in the U.S.? Thanks in advance!

tmb said at November 12, 2003 6:34 PM:

I would like information on how to report a company that I believe to be employing illegal immagrants. I am not interested in any kind of a reward, just want to turn this company in for illegal practices. Any information that you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

aBRAHAM said at May 18, 2004 12:24 PM:

I'VE ALREADY CALLED THE IMMIGRATION ABOUT 20 TIMES THIS MONTH OF APRIL. TO REPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WORKING AT DENNY'S RESTAURANT IN THE ISLAND, CASA ROSA IN PORT ISABEL, TEXAS AND AMFELS IN BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS. AND YET THE BORDER PATROL DOESN'T SEEM TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I AM A US CITIZEN, JUST HOLDING A GED BUT, I'M LEGALLY HERE AND I CAN'T FIND A JOB BECAUSE THE ILLEGALS ARE TAKING ALL THE JOBS IN SOUTH PADRE, ISLAND TEXAS, AND BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT I'M LEGALLY HERE AND CAN'T FIND A JOB BECAUSE OF THEM. I WANT THEM OUT!!!

DOUG said at May 30, 2004 11:10 AM:

I AGREE. THERE SHOULD BE A BOUNTY FOR THE ALIENS, BUT IT SO HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS ONE. THESE MEXICANS ARE TAKING WHAT FEW JOBS THAT ARE LEFT. IT IS THE AMERICANS FAULT FOR HIRING THEM AT A LOWER PAY JUST SO THEY CAN HAVE MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKET. TO ME, THIS IS SABOTAGE TOWARDS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I GUESS MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HAVING A HAPPY AND HEALTHY COUNTRY TO LIVE IN. AMERICA NEEDS TO FEEDING THE ILLEGALS AND FEED OUR OWN PEOPLE. BUT IT WONT HAPPEN AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT ALLOWS IT. I SAY "PUT A BOUNTY ON THE ILLEGALS HEAD", AND NO GOVERNMENT MONEY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO IMMIGRANTS TO START THEIR OWN BUSINESS. GIVE THE MONEY TO POEPLE WHO EARNED IT AND NEED IT AND HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOURS TRULEY, DOUG

Sharon said at June 7, 2004 9:33 AM:

Name: Leroy Alvin Simon, SSC # Going Under 667-14-8691, Occupation: Works for United Parcel Service in Atlanta Georgia 215 Marvin Miller Dr. Criminal Background: minor sex offender charged in Dekalb County, Malestation, He got out of jail Due to his family paying bond which was $15,000.00, He came to Atlanta Ga on vacation with a green card and never left!!! He lives with his family at: 5999 Great Oaks Drive in Lithonia,Ga 30058, Age: 29 Born October 15, 1975 in Antigua Barbuda which is the West Indies, He married when he got to Atlanta, GA to try and get his citizenship but is currently in the process of divorce in Dakalb County Court system, His soon to be ex wifes name is Belissa Roberts Simon and he has a 3 year old daughter by Belissa named Briana Simon. I believe that this man has recieved a free ticket of freedom some way onlong the lines with out getting caught and should be, The information I stated is true and can be proven with someone who seriously wants to deal with these issues. I've tried but until this mans divorce is finalized he will resume to be protected. I do not understand why so much lead way is offered to illegal immigrants these days???? Oh!! I totally understand how you feel regarding these unresolved issues.

Daryl said at June 7, 2004 9:34 AM:

Name: Leroy Alvin Simon, SSC # Going Under 667-14-8691, Occupation: Works for United Parcel Service in Atlanta Georgia 215 Marvin Miller Dr. Criminal Background: minor sex offender charged in Dekalb County, Malestation, He got out of jail Due to his family paying bond which was $15,000.00, He came to Atlanta Ga on vacation with a green card and never left!!! He lives with his family at: 5999 Great Oaks Drive in Lithonia,Ga 30058, Age: 29 Born October 15, 1975 in Antigua Barbuda which is the West Indies, He married when he got to Atlanta, GA to try and get his citizenship but is currently in the process of divorce in Dakalb County Court system, His soon to be ex wifes name is Belissa Roberts Simon and he has a 3 year old daughter by Belissa named Briana Simon. I believe that this man has recieved a free ticket of freedom some way onlong the lines with out getting caught and should be, The information I stated is true and can be proven with someone who seriously wants to deal with these issues. I've tried but until this mans divorce is finalized he will resume to be protected. I do not understand why so much lead way is offered to illegal immigrants these days???? Oh!! I totally understand how you feel regarding these unresolved issues.

The mexican said at October 22, 2004 7:21 PM:

One thing for the people of Texas, remember Texas was from Mexico.

Lisa said at October 23, 2004 10:20 AM:

I'm married to an imigrant, we've two kids and I'm totally crazy about this man!! I think the reason why u guys r against imigrants is that your next door neighbor who's not an american citizen like us is fuckin' maybe your mom, daughter or sisters... trust me, they love it! GET OVER WITH IT!!!!!!

Randall Parker said at October 23, 2004 12:36 PM:

Lisa, You need to get over the myth that all immigrants are a net benefit to American society. They aren't. Some are too dumb to ever be anything but net liabilities. Some are criminals. Some are believers in religions and political ideologies that are hostile to America.

We guys are against current immigration policy because we read a lot of social science studies about what the real consequences are in terms of taxes, crime, social spending, single-parenthood, child abuse, pollution, crowding, and a great many other problems that are being made worse by the massive amount of Hispanic immigration.

Why don't you read and learn rather than assume you understand our motives?

Concerned said at October 26, 2004 10:32 AM:

I need info on how to report an illegal alien - dating my daughter for 4 months we just found out about his status because of a car accident - he is encouraging my daughter to quite college and run away with him. she is 18 he is 21. & working and living with a boss thsat hires many Illegals. We know his motives.

Legal immigrant said at December 2, 2004 10:23 AM:

NAME: oscar de la hoya
LOCATION: Oklahoma City,


HE is a illegal immigrant suspect of going to North West Classen SChool
he can not speak English...many times i have told him to stop takeing my lunch but he would not stop.
i want you to COME HERE NOW AND TAKE HIM AWAY!!!!

South Africa said at December 20, 2004 3:39 AM:

I was born an American citizen and recently married a white South African and Imagrated here. I agree that there is a problem with Illegal imagrants in America and some job losses because of it, but some of you need to open your eyes! Come to South Africa were it is impossable to make enough money to support a family! You could see all of the shacks these people live in, thousands all over mountains and in cities on the side of the road with no bathrooms, electricity, or clean water!!! These people are dying of simple to cure illnesses and malaria and TB that we as Americans take for granted. If you are sick as an American or have a car accident you get medical treatment immediatly and it does not matter if you have medical aid or not. Here you have to have medical aid or pay the full cost up front or you will die because they will not help you and the hospital here can cost thousands and thousands of rand!And God bless America for 911 because here in a car accident you will likely die because they have no 911 or real ambulance services. Here, some of the illegal immagrants(nijarians) have been arrested for sex scandal and prostatution rings with child workers they have kidnapped as young as THREE. So before some of you get so bent out of shape about Mexicans illegally coming into America and finding work open up a world wide newspaper or look at Countries like South Africa and THANK GOD for what you have been blessed with. I have been here for six months and now I really appreciate the things and style of life almost all of America is privalaged to have. Living here will make you wish you had a sturdy mobile home and food stamps because here I promise you both of those luxuries are none existant! the most you might get from this government(if your black) is roughly around 150 Rand a month! In case your not aware of the cost of things here because some of you might think that is not to bad, A cold soda from a gas station is about 5 Rand, and a loaf of bread. Milk and a pack of two pieces of chicken are about 40 rand EACH!!! forget ever going out or having a luxery anything or even opening your own buisness if your white because if a white opens a company he HAS to have a black partner that has 51% shares!!!!! Look around and be glad you are so lucky to have the car you drive or tv you watch, or even the couch you loaf around on because here you are not so blessed!

Randall Parker said at December 20, 2004 11:10 AM:

American woman in South Africa,

We who want immigration restriction do so in part because we do not want America to become a Third World country with all the severe poverty you see in South Africa.

Nothing you said about South Africa came as the least bit of a surprise to me. Did you have to move to South Africa to find out what it is like there? If so, you really need to read more and find out what living conditions and governments are like around the world.

Yes, the South African government discriminates severely against whites. Was this a surprise? Yes, the left-liberal media in the West rarely mentions this. But this is an obvious glaring injustice. It will get worse in the future.

No name said at January 2, 2005 12:59 PM:

There are 2 illegal immigrants living at 7116 gresham court in Frederick, md. They have been there for almost a year. the mother Anne, is getting paid under the table for babysitting, and her daughter, Danelle, is in high school.

I tried to turm them in before. but no one cared, so I just stop tring, they need to go back yo Jamaica where they are from.

In addition, there are illegal activites going on in that house. the owner Andrea, who INS declined citizenshp to twice, has a house with 2000 per month mortgage, a truch for 700 per month and she only makes 36k per year. All these biils do not include regular utilizies and insurance. And she did tell me (when they had broken up temporarily) that her boyfriend, Jack Patrick Robinsion, the father of the younger boys was a drug dealer (however, he does not live there). But as soon as they made up, she changed her story.

These people have gto be stopped!

just older said at February 1, 2005 8:10 PM:

I am completely appauled at the way that you all seem to downgrade other people for making an attempt at a better life. I can't believe what I am reading. It's like a congregation for racists here. How many of you are in the KKK?? I'm disgusted! I have a husband who is illegal at the moment. And I would just like to point out some things here. First and foremost, if any of you could actually stop and honestly answer this question, how many of you would leave everything that you have ever known and move to another country where you don't speak the language and work your ass off to have a better life for your children? Aren't we supposed to want better for our children than we had?? Isn't that the "Great American Dream"? To have enough sense and love for ourselves and our families to do what is best? I have been to other countries and I have seen the way that some of those families that you all speak of live everyday. Do you think that it was their choice to be born into that environment? Other people only want what is best for themselves and their families. Which may I add, people in America don't value their families at all anymore. It would take me forever to piont out things to you people that you have no clue about. Do you even have any idea what some of those people go through just to get here and have a better life?? I didn't think so! I think that some of you need to be more informed about the things that you would have to go through just to be legal here. I'm going through all of this right now, and not even close to having a husband who can legally reside here, I am about ready to have a breakdown from all of this. I am on the verge of losing my job and my home to meet with immigration officials and constantly paying more and more money just to fill out more and more forms and drive further and further each week. If you had any idea of what not only they, but also their families and spouses have to go through to be legal, I think that you may have a different opinion. I have very little respect for anyone who can speak of people that they don't even know without at least being informed first. I love my husband very much and the things that we have been going through for the last 3 years have all been worth it to me. But again it's not as simple as just filling out a form and then getting your greeen card. It is far from that! And maybe if it didnt' cost a fortune and the process was not so long and grueling, more people would be legal! THE PROBLEM IS THE PROCESS OF BECOMING LEGAL, NOT THE ILLEGAL PEOPLE! Also in closing I would like an expination of the following: If there are MILLIONS of illegal immigrants working here and taking all of our jobs, which by the way, if working under a fake social security number and most of them are, where do all of the taxes and the money that they pay in social security go?????? I know many illegal immigrants, and I know how all of the illegal activity works. They are NOT excluded from paying taxes of any kind! Legal or illegal. And at the end of the year after all of the taxes being taken out, THEY DO NOT FILE TAXES!!!!!!! So where does all of that money go???? They sure don't get any back! So explain to me why taxes are being raised every time you turn around, and why is there talk of the possibility of having no social security by the time that I retire? Fact: Illegal immigrants paid over 5 billion dollars last year alone in social security only. So where did it all go?? That's not including state and federal taxes! And honey's let me ask you also where all of the money that illegals pay to be legal goes?? According to all of you, it's not going to border patrol and to get immigrant out of here! I can only hope that the next person who has a post here can at least give some kind of INFORMED opinion!

Randall Parker said at February 2, 2005 11:38 AM:

Hey "just older",

I have archives of posts with detailed demographic information about illegals and legal immigrants and natives. I will distill down some simple truths for you that do seem ignorant of:

1) Illegals commit crime at higher rates than natives. So do Hispanics as a whole. Hispanics have 3.7 times the incarceration rates of whites.

2) Hispanics (who are most of the illegal and legal immigrants at this point) have illegitimate children at twice the rate of whites.

3) Hispanics in later generations lag whites by a large margin in educational attainment.

4) Hispanics earn less, pay less in taxes, have medical insurance at lower rates, and use state medical aid at higher rates. In a nutshell: they cost more.

Save me your sob story. My American Dream is that the country doesn't deteriorate from a large and growing lower class of ignorant, unskilled, poor people who demand more from the government and give less.

Oh, and your insults to native whites as somehow being lazy and accomplishing less are untrue. Native whites produce more of economic value than do poor immigrants.

Lots of illegals get paid under the table and therefore do not pay any taxes. Others earn such low salaries that their tax rates and total taxes paid are very low. Your claims about taxes paid are nonsense.

You are ignorant. Your opinion is uninformed.

just older said at February 5, 2005 7:34 AM:

Apparently my post was to no avail. You aren't intelligent enough to be able to put all of your bull shit opinions aside and just try to put yourself in someone elses shoes even for just a moment. It would be pointless to even discuss further. So you stick to your ignorant opinions and I will stick to what I know. And I know that you can't change somones racist opinion. No matter what you say. I hope for your sake, you can find some way to just be descent to other people and keep your racism to yourself.

Randall Parker said at February 5, 2005 4:29 PM:

just older,

I quote facts at you. You ignore the facts. You think you can change my conclusions without addressing the facts. Do you want more of an ethnic group that commits crimes at 3.7 times the white crime rate? Do you want more Hispanics who do poorly in school?

These are facts. I argue with facts. You argue with name-calling. Are you ignorant of the facts I am providing? Go read. You have a lot to learn.

just older said at February 5, 2005 9:22 PM:

It always comes back to hispanics doesn't it? lol When was the last time that hispanics were a terror threat?!?! That's what I thought!

just older said at February 5, 2005 9:23 PM:

P.S. Would like to know where you obtained these facts

"Denny's" Food For Thought said at February 7, 2005 11:20 PM:

I came across this doing research about rights available to illegal immigrants in the united states and i guess i'm going to give it a shot and put some ideas out here about the reality of the world today. The issue of illegal immigration is far more complicated than simpling "shutting the door" or kicking people out who are "stealing" American jobs. We live in a global society - the entire world is connected and yet every year power, money, and opportunities are increasingly in the hands of fewer people and corporations. what does this have to do with illegal immigration? well, let's take a step back and pretend that the United States is a "3rd world nation." let's say that a foreign country whose political and economic ideology revolves around technological development and consuming the world's natural resources has decided to make a deal with our country's government to take our land from us in order to build factories and get cheap labor. let's say, hypothetically, that our government has decided to supply this cheap labor and set few standards because it will get a cut or because it is in debt to this other nation who revolves its livelihood around taking from others in order to develop. this is, of course, a complete over-simplification... but nonetheless makes the point. now we ask, who is responsible: our government which doesn't set any boundaries and allows us to be exploited... or the country coming in to profit off the exploitation made available? but for us.... we are, let's not forget, the people living in this "3rd world nation" ... for us, the more important question in the moment of survival is not a matter of "who" is to blame... the question is a matter of "where" can we go to support our families. we most likely don't want to leave our country, though there are acceptions. it is not very appealling for most of us to risk our lives crossing a border to go to a "richer" country where we don't speak the first language spoken there, have few rights and little security, have to live in small apartments or homes with several other people to be able to afford life in that rich country and still send money home, and where we are constantly facing racism and are the scape goats for people who are unhappy with their lives... maybe justifiably unhappy... but we are not justifiably scape goated. okay... now let's take the guy who lives next door. well, our standard of living was lower where we came from then it is here... but lets not forget why we came in the first place... we were, in a sense, forced to come by the very nation we are now being employed by because our land, resources, job opportunities were stolen from us. so... let's take the guy who lives next door. he's been a hard working man all his life. but his standard of living is higher... as ours would very possibly be had we bee born here (not accounting for the economic affects of racism, of course). again, our standard of living in our country was lower, so we are willing to take lower wages and live in little apartments/homes with huge numbers of people. that's appealling to... let's say, the manager at "DENNY's" down the street. He now can hire hard working employees at lower wages and make a hirer profit. although not the highest paying job, we go for it because it will allow us to send money back to the family we love in the united states. the guy next door lost his job but has a hirer chance at getting a new one than we do because we don't have citizenship papers nor do we speak the national language. but, nontheless, he didn't deserve to lose his job. so, who is to blame for the man next door who is very hard working and just as worthy of his job as we are??? are we, the illegal immigrants who are trying to support our families to blame? is the man next door to blame because he was working for higher wages? is the denny's manager to blame? I would say, the problem is much larger than these three people. who is to blame for the man next door losing his job is the same as who is to blame for us losing our land and having to move to another country to support our family. And if we really want to face the truth... the reality is that our roles could be reversed at any time because nothing in our modern world is constant. the whole idea of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world nations is a myth because if something doesn't the change, we're all going to be affected by the disastrous outcome. My point? PLEASE... understand, if not the complexity of the situation, then the fact that it is much larger than the obvious people involved, before going out there and destroying someone else's livelihood. we all came from another country at some point and we're all just trying to get by while the people and corporations who are getting away with making huge profits are REALLY the one's "stealing jobs" without being held accountable. On a last note, as an American Citizen born and raised, I have the privelege to look beyond the immediate situation and territorial boundaries to see that the problem is not one of competition and greed of the people involved, it's one of competition and greed of the corporations and institutions that allow circumstances of people in america and all countries to come to this. it always strikes me that we blame others for our problems, never look at our own responsibility in the situation, and don't work together to make a world in which such institutions are working for us rather than one in which we work for the institutions. "immigrants," legal or illegal, are not "stealing" american jobs out of competition or greed. out of circumstance, many are settling for or for less than minimum wage just as many people here settle for low paying jobs because of lack of opportunities. so, before accusing others of our situations, maybe we should get to know them and understand that they are in just as much desparation as we are.

Sickened said at March 11, 2005 2:21 PM:

What a sick collection of comments on this site. Educate yourselves with a little history!

Like it or not (and the original inhabitants) didn't, the America of today was born out of immigration. Stop being so small-minded and selfish just becuase you're an "older" immigrant than some others.

dino said at March 13, 2005 5:31 AM:

about pizza express in kew gardens they have chef his name brahim his algerien nationalite & his illegal imegrants come and take him because his saying im french but hi told im algerien and im for girl to make me papers

Open minded youth said at March 30, 2005 7:53 PM:

Randal and just older......The problem with your theories is that there IS no right answer! There's good and bad to come from illegal immigration. Personally, I lean more towards Randall on this issue, but at the same time, I can't help but to understand facts such as by paying illegal immigrants for these "American jobs", we infact help ourselves in by keeping businesses alive. The less that we pay to the immigrants, the cheaper we can sell our products and the more likely we are to make enough money to keep that businesses growing enough to branch out causing more jobs for the AMERICAN people. The problem is not that they're here, but that there are so GOD DAMN MANY. I mean, I can't even order anything from Mc Donalds without them fucking up! I could order from a Mc Donalds in EUROPE than I can here in AMERICA. I live across the street from a school were a bunch of spaniards play soccer and being a young blonde, I am constantly being hollered and whistled at and I don't appreciate it. I'm TIRED of it.

Oh, and Matthew Felix....I'm doing a research paper for Govt. on Illegal Immigration and there is supposedly 4,000 IM's a day that cross the Arizona-Mexican boarder a day. 3 mill are estimated to enter the US this year Alone andas many as 190,000 immigrants from other countries this year alone. 400,000 illegal aliens have been deported and 80,000 of THOSE have had criminal records.

Gail said at April 21, 2005 7:06 PM:

Although racism is certainly alive and well in America (as it is everywhere else, sadly), illegal immigration is not a problem because of racial issues. It is a problem because it is becoming an increasingly dire drain on our resources of finance, health care, education, and environment. It is, incidently, also a serious threat to national security. That is not to say that most illegal immigrants coming here to make better lives for themselves deliberately want to threaten Americans. But if we don't know exactly who's crossing our borders, we are at risk. It only takes a handful of really bad folks to create marked danger, as we saw in the case of 9/11. And incidentally we do see a huge increase in the number of criminals crossing our border illegally (beyond the original breaking the law of crossing the border illegally, which folks seem to forget is a crime)--it is estimated that 90% of unresolved homicide cases in Los Angeles involve illegal alien suspects. Americans have the right to protect their borders and shores to ensure their safety and well-being, just as any people in any other country would do. Re: the notion that we are a nation of immigrants, it is true that America certainly is made up predominantly of descendants of immigrants, that is fact. But we do not live in the America of yesteryear, we live in the America of today, and to pretend that we can continue to have the same standards we used to re: the influx of vast numbers of non-citizens into this country is not only foolhardy but downright dangerous.

Immigration (including legal but especially illegal) is estimated now to account for between 83-87% of our population growth. American citizens by birth were essentially at zero population growth until the more recent influx of vast numbers of immigrants. Because of immigration, our population will swell to nearly 600 million (double in size) by 2070 if it continues unchecked. This is insane--we cannot afford this sort of strain on our national resources, and food production will be threatened by increasing urban sprawl. Unfortunately, although people decry the "lack of access" for legal immigrants, the numbers suggest that we currently allow four times as many legal immigrants as we should if we wish to control our population growth and safeguard our resources. So maybe the answer in part is to reduce the amount of legal immigration as well and be highly selective about who we bring over and why. This idea makes many people angry because so many people want to come here. Unfortunately, some folks forget that legal immigration is a privilege, not a right, that is extended by the host country. For the purpose of illustration/example, I do not assume that Great Britain owes me immigration status, residency, or citizenship--or the rights of citizenship if I enter illegally--simply because I believe I might improve my family life there, or because Britain has a history of attempting to be fair to those within its borders. Yet huge numbers of people treat immigration to America as if they were entitled to it and all the privileges that citizenship is supposed to afford.

We can no longer afford to behave as if we are everyone else's lifeboat. The first rule for the drowning person is to save him or herself before attempting to save anyone else. If Mexico does not adequately look after the welfare of its citizens, then we should support policies that appropriately support positive change in Mexico without promoting negative change in the U.S. It is not wrong for anyone to want a better life. But we do not owe non-citizens jobs, health care, education, interpreters in hospitals, etc. when the attempts to provide these things result in inequity towards our own citizens, strain on all manner of resources, and the degradation of the citizen's wage.

For all of the above concerns it is time to shut the door. It is time to ammend the Constitution so that we no longer provide citizenship to "anchor babies" of illegal immigrants. It is time for corporate America to be held accountable for promoting practices that are good for corporate profits but bad for the country as a whole. It is time to know exactly who is coming across our borders, and it is time to reform an immigration system that claims to have procedures to remove people who are not entitled to be here but encourages them to lie and stay and actively avoids keeping track of them. It is time to hold our politicians accountable for their failure to represent American citizens by voting them out if they cannot look after the country's welfare.

And re: those who go through the process of immigrating legally, power to them. Their unique contributions and independent cultures should be honored and respected. However, just as their cultures should be valued and respected as part of the American multicultural melting pot, there should also be requirements made of those who choose to become citizens to show that they honor, respect, value and understand the culture they have chosen to join. They should know and understand our system of governance, and they should be required to show proficiency in speaking and writing English before being allowed citizenship. That is reasonable and fair.

Angel said at May 13, 2005 11:59 AM:

You know and everyone else knows that it is wrong to be here without having papers.yea evryone thinks diffrent but here's the thing you need to think about. If you have this american man, boy rape you or even you daugter, then you can put them behind bars, But you have this mexican, costa rica, person that don't have papers rape you or your daguter, What can you do. They have to many names, they can run,they can kill someone and run back to there contry. Yea there are good people out here of all, race and culters, but there are bad to.Some bad can not run when most can. I speak spaish, I have friends that are spanish,and they all know how I fill about this because like I told them they should have got green cards, visters visas, something before they come here.I know a 20 year old mexican that was sleeping with a 13year old girl. When the girl took out rape charges he left and went back to mexico.He lied to me about everything and he was married in mexico alresdy. And trying to marrie here. They can marrie here and there and run if they have too.So here's what I think if they have some kind of paper saying they can come here with real names, real ages, where they realy come from,real birth dates,and of corse they have to tested for everything. Then I see no problem, but untill then imagration needs to do there part.So what if you are married and have 2 kids by you mexican,You don't realy know who he is,and what if he takes off and leaves you with 2 kids? Like most of them do anyways. So before you say are we mad because they fuckin someone we love and know, No honey you need open your eyes and live the real life. I love my mexican friends too but we don't realy know who they are and what they are capible of doing.911 that was stupid on our part who's gonna let them fly a plane when most americans can't even get a driving lisens or a bus pass.......

THE LEGAL said at May 19, 2005 1:59 PM:

THE FINE WORD IN YOUR SENTENCE IS {WAS} FROM TEXASTHE LEGAL

Algerian elegal said at May 27, 2005 7:03 PM:

To all of you the RACIST
I just like to say that what ever you say or do we are staying and we not going any wher.
like it or not you need us!!!!!!!!!!
yours, FUCK YOU ALL :)

Insidescoop said at May 31, 2005 7:59 PM:

This comment is directed to just older, first of all you say that illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. Let me give you an inside scoop I am married to a Guatemalan for 8 years now and have 2 children by him. His WHOLE family and friends of his family and family of his friends all live here. There are tons of them here where I live and they are all illegal immigrants. So believe me I know what I am telling you when I write this. Every illegal immigrant working in the USA passes this little secret to the next illegal immigrant on how to cheat the IRS. Illegal immigrants when they first apply for a job and are given the tax forms to fill out at there jobs they write down that they have 8-9 dependants and are married and claim that the spouse does not work. Mind you these are single men with no responsabilities and live in a 1-2 bedroom apartment with 6 other people. So when they recieve there paycheck the amount of taxes that is deducted from there paycheck is less than the US citizen next to him that does have a family to support. And as for the illegal women they do the same they claim to have 8-9 children and that they are single moms. In the state of Oklahoma these women work with a false SSN and apply for foodstamp and medical benefits with another false SSN and are approved for the benefits because they are supposably single moms and are either pregnant or have the most 2 children. They live with there significant other who is working illegally and cheating the IRS. So imagine how they are getting over the system both parents working fulltime making anywhere from $7-$8 dollars an hour and the Mom claiming to be unemployed and single and recieving full foodstamp, and medical benefits. All of this I know becuase I have seen it when I went to visit my husbands family in Oklahoma. I am not against illegal immigrants and I am not for them. It just disgusts me how all of this is allowed and takes place. And in reallity nothing can be done, or will be done so the reallity of this is unfortunatlly we have to suck it all up and live with it like I do.

Jim said at June 17, 2005 4:43 AM:

Recently I would say all should ahve a fair hearing, but now I found out that a person I have been chatting through the web. Is illegal immagrant in my country, who we fallen out, in her anger she told me she was just using me to stay in UK, her email addy is Rit_buge80@hotmail.co.uk. I also did some ground work digging on her, she went to this educational place www.ascmalta.com. Her intentions in Britain is actually to go around screwing me of they bank accounts, while still living happily married with her hubby, why getting married to other men, and then divorcing then for everything they have. People like this need to be stopped. Before anymore people get hurt.

~*ASHLEY*~ IMMAGRANTS WIFE!!! &BABY MAMA!!!! LmAoOoOoOo said at July 24, 2005 7:04 PM:

WELL LET ME JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ALL OF THOESE PEOPLE THAT THINK THE IMAGRANTS ARE RUINING THERE LIFES...I AM A WHITE AMERICAN AND I HAPPEN TO BE IN A SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH A ILEAGAL AND I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL 6 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER WITH THIS MAN... YOU PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY SHOULDNT BE HERE AND THAT THEY CHEAT THIS COUNTRY FOR ALOT OF THINGS BUT THE TRUTH IS YOU ARE JUST PISSED OFF AND JEALOUS OF THE FACT THAT THEY ACTUALLY GO OUT AND LOOK FOR A JOB BY STANDING IN THE HEAT AND WORKING HARD AND KILLING THEM SELFS TO MAKE A LIVING WHILE YOU PEOPLE SIT ON THE COUCH AND WATCH TV SAYING TO YOUR FRIENDS I NEED TO GO LOOK FOR A JOB...THERE ACTUALLY OUT THERE DOING THAT AND YOU GUYS MIGHT THINK OH WELL CONSTRUCTION IS A STUPID JOB THAT PAYS NOTHING WELL YOU GUYS BASICALLY SIT AT A COMPUTER ALL DAY WHILE THEY WORK THERE ASS OFF MAKING REALLY GOOD MONEY! I LIVE IN LAS VEGAS NEVADA AND MY BOYFRIEND GOES OUT EVERYDAY IN 120 DEGREE HEAT AND WORKS HIS ASS OFF BUILDING YOUR CASINOS TO WHERE YOU COME AND WASTE YOUR MONEY AND YOUR LIFE AWAY JUST SO THAT HE CAN MAKE A LIVING FOR HIS FAMILY... AND HE IS NOT TRYING TO FAKE OUT ON THE US AND IS NOT AFRAID OF BEING ILLEGAL...IF HE WAS HE WOULD MARRY ME SO THAT HE COULD BECOME A LEGAL CITIZEN...HE DOESNT WANT TO MARRY ME YET BECAUSE HE DOESNT WANT THAT TO BE A WAY TO GET HIS GREEN CARD...HE IS GOING TO GET IT BY WORKING FOR IT AND THEN GET MARRIED...I AM NOT BEING RACIST TOWARDS ANYBODY I AM WHITE AND IVE SEEN HOW OTHERS MY RACE DEPEND ON EVERYTHING ELSE THEY EXPECT THINGS TO AUTOMATICLY HAPPEN WHILE THE MEXICAN RACE GOES OUT AND WORKS FOR THOESE THINGS TO HAPPEN...HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS GO OUT TO MEXICAN PLACES TO EAT FOOD...UMM DIDNT YOU REALIZE THAT THAT CAME FROM THERE COUNTRY AND IF THEY DIDNT COME HERE YOU WOULD BE CONTINUING TO GOING TO GREASY FAST FOOD PLACES...MCDONALS NE ONE?? I AM APPALED WHEN I READ YOUR COMMENT BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE DIRTY SICKING PEOPLE WITH NO LIFE...HAVE YOU EVER TAKING A SECOND TO LOOK AND SEE THAT THEY ARE JUST LIKE US?? SOME OF THEM MIGHT NOT SPEAK ENGLISH BUT WHEN YOU GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY DO YOU AUTOMATICLY SPEAK THERE LANGUAGE?? NO YOU DONT YOU HAVE TO LEARN IT JUST LIKE THEY LEARN IT WELL I GUESS IM DONE WRITING THIS FOR NOW I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE...YOU MIGHT DISAGREE BUT I DONT REALLY GIVE A FUCK...IM SAYING WHAT I BELIEVE AND I WILL ALWAYS LOVE MY IMMAGRANT HUSBAND!!!!!! LmAoOoOoOo

Tina said at August 17, 2005 10:32 PM:

I think we should be able to open season on these brown bean pieces of 3 foot $hit. They are uneducated, they act like they have never seen a woman before with their constant staring. I loathe these cock roaches. I have noticed something about the white trash that defent this garbage. Neither one of you whores can spell or write. I guess you are too stupid to find a human husband. Wetbacks are a real problem here. Most uneducated people can't even find a job because of them. They almost always live about 30 to a house. They never pay taxes but they can get foodstamps and welfare. Oh, that is fair. You whores that date or marry them, you are trash. Just wait, your 3 foot night that smells of refried beans will beat you at the first provocation. They are notorious for beating women. That is how stupid they are. I know for a fact that the jails are full of these disgusting beaners. Why on earth won't our government do anything about them? No wonder so many educated people hate them.

brian said at August 30, 2005 8:37 PM:

i used to date a peruvian who was a decent girl but her methods of entering my homeland illegally infuriated me daily. The way these grimy south americans are getting in is different from mexicans. They first save up i believe 2,000 dollars to prove a stable life in their country (they prove it with a bank statement). This would allow them a visa for 6 months. Most of these spics have family in florida so that is stop number one. The airline they prefer is LANCHILE. Once in florida they are free to wander our land, usually coming north to new york. I live on long island and believe me, these little fuckers are everywhere, not only that, these poor(destitute) spics are having children. So now they have created a little spic farm to raise all the spickens. And, when these nasty little people get sick, they go straight to the hospital. I dont know about everyone, but my health insurance premiums keep going up. I wonder why? Not only that, but every single dollar they make gets sent out of our country to fund the next spic expedition in their family of sooooooo many. Kill our economy, ruin our neighborhoods, force us to learn that disgusting language, and not even have anything to offer. I dont understand. Remember everyone mexicans are a problem, but, they are somewhat civilized compared to these third-world spics, they are pure evil and i will do my best to vanquish them from our precious soil.

Debra Chacon said at February 2, 2006 8:39 AM:

how or where do you report illegals? Many illegals are false obtaining goverment assistance
medicare and other benifits. I know a family that is selling tamales making very good money
have a home in thier name, vehicles and yet getting govement assistance. I believe we all
pay taxes for our fellow Americans such as the alderly and disabled, that I don't mind. I pay with pride as a American. But to pay for these illegals which are numberous is not something I am willing to turn my back on. If anyone Knows what I need to do, please advise.

William Szakacs said at February 4, 2006 11:01 AM:

How come every site you go to to report a company hiring illegals never lets you and one even wanted to charge me $10 dollors to file it in Fla. or is that BUSH is related to all of them sence his brother is married to one and if anyone knows of site I can report a company for free please do contact us --thanks

the freek said at February 19, 2006 9:24 PM:

you peaple wont stop complaining about how horrible it is that these elegals are stealing your jobs. Well the simple plain hard truth is that in some cases we need these peaple. truthfully the mexicans will do the dirty jobs that us white peaple wouldnt think about doing.for exanple;many whites come into bussinesess and wouldnt dream of digging ditches all day for 5.15 an hour.on the other hand the mexicans beg you a job of any for any amount of money of type. white peaple it seems quickly find out a reason why the job "sucks" and turn to the nearest appealing job.they would rather drink beer stay on there couch and milk the government and rot that actually work.im not saying this is the case all the time im just saying that whites dont last on low paying jobs.And mexicans do.hey you idiots that wont stop camplaining about these places that hire elegals or you know someone that is a elegal do yourself a fovor and MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS.its not like every business hires elegals im sure if you tried hard enuff mabey you could find a dennys that doesnt hire elegals lol mabey there a reason they like them better.

Randall Parker said at March 14, 2006 8:43 PM:

I deleted 2 comments that werw all in capital letters. I hate all caps. Do not write all caps posts because I'll delete them.

Love for the world said at March 27, 2006 5:30 PM:

it's so sad to see that this world has come to this everyone arguing over something so silly! Population in general is a problem all over and it's only gonna get worse because everybody blames everyone else, obviously none of you have common sense it doesn't take education to take notice that our world is in trouble instead you want to be ignorant and selfish go ahead and keep arguing you aren't gonna get any where except another day making your brains fat and lazy sitting at your computers; if you think education is what it's going to take then go get educated and start working together the only one that has claim on any part of this world is god we're here to see if we can live and learn or just destroy eachother and your on the right track to destroying eachother! Also, save the stupid cursing it doesn't get your point across any different than shouting at the top of your lungs you just look impatient and sound ignorant.

Johnnie said at April 28, 2006 9:58 PM:

Hiter knew how to handle slime. Perhaps we should take a crash course in annilation. Harvest thier organs, feed the rest to zoo animals, or make fertilzer with the left overs. I would like a small childes organs beacuse he will turn into a drug pusher or some other kond of criminal.

Everybody knows that mexicans are proof that Indians fucked buffalo...hence the big head

God save the Republic

suzon thornton said at May 10, 2006 3:53 AM:

My largest concern is the taxes,social security, welfare, foodstamps,FREE medical they have taken from our old.My parents worked 65 years and they can no longer afford their home,not enough food and pay their bills. Why is our government saying go to them and its all free here. They dont pay IRS lets see us get by with that.We keep spending on them and they take and keep taking. We do not own all these illegals.How can they draw social security and not citizens. We have a double voice coming from Washington.We need to start there. Our prisions and jails are full of gang menber, dope dealers,and its getting worse. They do not mind being there it is free and better than they have there. WHY LEAVE? Our government needs to do not set up there on their asses and never solve a problem one. clear out our officals, that have been there for 50 years for nothing! Vote get them all out and start over.

Tammy King said at September 5, 2006 3:20 PM:

please send me info on how to report on an employer hiring illegal aliens.

Thank You Concerned Citizen

Rey said at September 22, 2006 9:04 AM:

I was recently fired from a company 2 day ago i am a legal citezen. but this company fired me because they rather pay a elegal imigrant less money.this companie has been hiring elegal imigrants for a long time now. i would like to know how i can report this companie yhank you

AP said at November 28, 2006 9:56 AM:

My problem with all this is our government isn't doing nothing about it we will stand up as a nation and get them the heck out of there. They are causing more harm then good for this country and yes they are taking the jobs that's why they need to hurry and get that damn wall built and keep them out. Once we get called back from Iraq you mexicans are in big trouble. Trust us our government isn't going to do nothing so that means we are going to take matters into our own hands. We saw that march on tv we are all pissed at what is happening there.

none said at May 29, 2007 12:18 PM:

all of you people that talk like you know everthing i have worked in a restrant for 11 years and see alot of americans get the job and quit in three days because why they all say it is to hard that is crazy if you need the job then work dont quit dont say the mexicans are taking the jobs for cheeper pay the americans think they should get the job and they should get paid 10 dollars an hour to cook but if you have never cooked before that is stupid all im saying is noone is taking the jobs the american people think they are to good for the work if you dont pay an american at least 9dollars an hour to start work then the dont wont to work everyone gets paid the same to start and everyone gats paid more if they do the job right and show up for work on time alot of americans think they should have everthing handed to them but if you dont work for it then you dont get it and alot of american people live off the goverment and drive a very nice car but live in a home from section 8 or goverment funded and all there childen with free health insc. and if you are not an american you do not get help with health insc. you have to pay full price for the doctors vist or full price when you go to the hospital all they do is set you up on payment plans they shure dont give you a discount so alot of you americans need to do alot more studing before you guys run your mouths noone is taken nothing from you you are taking from youselves just get off your lazy butts and work because the easy way out is to blame other people so just stand back and look at youself and judge yourself not other people the only person that can judge is GOD and he made all of us and he mad us all to love one another not to hate each other because we are different just take care of yourself and quit tring to be god

crysta.l said at October 26, 2007 12:00 PM:

It is not that mexicans or africans of french or any other nationality should not be in America it is simply they should be here legally. sure these illegals are coming here to make a better life for thier selves BUT THEY ARE RUINING IT FOR THE AMERICAS WHO BUST THEIR ASSES EVERY SINGLE DAY TO ONLY make barely above minimum wage. It sucks !!I have to kids and a wonderful man And we barely make it not because we will not work !!!!BUT because of the towns jobs are mostly factory work and over half of these jobs in these factories are taken by FUCKIN ILLEGALS! yeah there are lazy people who quit their jobs but there are lazy mexicans TOO. And your right the truth is theyy work for half the price that we would but the stupid thing is if they would work legally they would make twice as much!! they dont want to work and live here and have a better life they want to work and go back to mexico where they live the high life !!!!!!!Shit we should trade countries with 'em !!!they get more from our country than we do they get FREE HEALTH CArE AND FRee FOOD STAMPS AND FREE HOUSING! WE AMERICANS GET A fREE FUCK YOU YOUR wHITE AND A FREE KICK YOU WHILE YOUr down PASS


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